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How marijuana became legal
CNN Money/Fortune Magazine ^ | September 18, 2009 | Roger Parloff

Posted on 09/29/2009 4:02:50 PM PDT by Bokababe

....This article is not another polemic about why it should or shouldn't be (legalized). Today, in any case, the pertinent question is whether it already has been -- at least on a local-option basis. We're referring to a cultural phenomenon that has been evolving for the past 15 years, topped off by a crucial policy reversal that was quietly instituted by President Barack Obama in February....

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: crime; drugs; marijuana; pot; potheads; wod
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Long, but interesting article on the progressive legalization of marijuana in the US for "medicinal purposes" and its consequences.
1 posted on 09/29/2009 4:02:51 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

Pot’s legal in Southern Oregon. My neighbor has a commercial pot farm, everyone knows it, and the local District Attorney has announced he doesn’t want to be brought any pot cases.

I suppose the Feds could get involved, but so far, we have a new cash crop.


2 posted on 09/29/2009 4:06:11 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer isn't black, he's YELLOW.)
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To: Bokababe

Lived in 3 college towns in the past 2 years — Madison WI, Richmond VA and now Austin TX.

Can’t say as anyone in any of those towns gets busted for weed unless they’re foolish enough to deal in front of a cop, or unless they want them off of the streets for other reasons.

I think that this war against weed was lost when the Indians first smoked it, centuries before white settlers got here. Do I think that people should smoke weed? No, but they shouldn’t gamble, drink to excess, smoke tobacco, etc etc. And, those are all legal.


3 posted on 09/29/2009 4:17:14 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Bokababe
More interesting is how vegetables get to be "naughty" and illegal.

How is it that something the Creator gave us can lead to all this nonsense.

4 posted on 09/29/2009 4:22:32 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Any of you people who think marijuana shouldn’t be legalized, well you’re all f*cked”


5 posted on 09/29/2009 4:25:00 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: corkoman
So, would you think it better if your child was doing meth or heroin?
Maybe the Creator gave us stuff we shouldn't do so we could have free will and act like grownups.
6 posted on 09/29/2009 4:30:14 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Bokababe

It ought to be completely legal.


7 posted on 09/29/2009 4:32:00 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Just as long as you assure me there is no connection between marijuana and mental illness.
Just as long as you show there is not cognitive degeneration.
Until then, it shouldn’t be legalized.
As for your comment, well it speaks volumes about you.


8 posted on 09/29/2009 4:32:09 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Bokababe

I think fraud had something to do with it here in Michigan.

Its an issue that has come again and again over the years and sometimes the numbers in favor have risen and sometimes they’ve fallen. In this last election it suddenly passed by wide margins in all 83 counties.

It would be one thing if the numbers had steadily grown in all counties over the years but all 83 at once? I’m not buying it.


9 posted on 09/29/2009 4:33:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: IrishCatholic
Just as long as you assure me there is no connection between marijuana and mental illness. Just as long as you show there is not cognitive degeneration. Until then, it shouldn’t be legalized.

Why should that substance have to meet a standard that alcohol and tobacco don't have to meet? Both of those substances are actually dangerous.

And no, I don't use marijuana. I just don't approve of the government telling someone what plant they can grow in their garden.
10 posted on 09/29/2009 4:36:20 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: TWohlford
"Lived in 3 college towns in the past 2 years — Madison WI, Richmond VA and now Austin TX.

Can’t say as anyone in any of those towns gets busted for weed unless they’re foolish enough to deal in front of a cop, or unless they want them off of the streets for other reasons.

Actually, one of the biggest prohibitions to many people smoking pot, even here in CA, is employer drug testing.

Someone can have a recommendation from a doctor to use marijuana for medical purposes, but that doesn't mean that an employer has to hire them and the employer can even fire them for such use.

There was a landmark case last year -- "Gary Ross vs RagingWire Telecommunications" that said that the State's medical marijuana laws, while protecting a person from State criminal prosecution, offered this person no additional rights under the State's employment laws.

As long as marijuana remains a Federal crime, employers have a right to fire employees who smoke marijuana even if California decides to legalize marijuana outright.

11 posted on 09/29/2009 4:39:08 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: IrishCatholic

I put it in quotes because it was from Cheech and Chong many years ago. It is not my opinion, but at the time, it was pretty funny. Sorry if you were offended.


12 posted on 09/29/2009 4:40:53 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Everyone knows it eh? Does he have a problem keeping “poachers” off his land?


13 posted on 09/29/2009 4:44:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: corkoman

The do gooders again. It’s like those wascally guns bent on crime that go walking around in Chicago. Oh wait, the guns don’t walk. People bent on crime carrying them do.

Maybe someday, sanity will return and only certain uses of items will be banned rather than the items themselves.


14 posted on 09/29/2009 4:48:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Bokababe

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15 posted on 09/29/2009 4:52:03 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

It’s OK, I didn’t get the cultural reference. I did wonder why it was in quotes.


16 posted on 09/29/2009 4:55:11 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: mysterio

Here’s one thing I have an issue with:

“the U.S. Justice Department treated state medical marijuana laws as nullities. Such laws were contradicted and therefore preempted by federal drug laws, the Justice Department reasoned, and the U.S. Supreme Court upheld that position in 2005.”

The constitution says that all powers not enumerated to the Federal government belong to either the states, or to the people. Where in the constitution does it enumerate that the Feds have the authority to regulate what plants a person consumes? Until someone can show me that clause, then I view the issue as something that can, at most, be legislated on the state and local level. Even then, I think it’s a bit of an overreach for the government to tell someone what they can or can’t ingest.

Now, since drugs obviously can have associated safety or health issues, then I guess governments can appeal to that to regulate their responsible use. The current federal position on marijuana though, is pretty much that there can’t ever be any responsible use of it at all, which I think is ludicrous given that at least 10% of the population continues to use it and their heads haven’t exploded yet.


17 posted on 09/29/2009 4:58:04 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: mysterio
What kind of logic is that?
Society is well aware of the cost of alcohol and tobacco in deaths, disease, and monetary impact. Both a clearly harmful.
So you want to add more? Why not cocaine and heroin? Why not meth?
The government doesn't allow you to grow opium poppies and coca plants either. So no to legal pot. We have enough problems with what is already legal.

Everybody knows their rights, real or perceived, but no one thinks about their responsibilities. If you want to legalize drugs, fine. As long as you sign a waiver and wear an ID bracelet that mandates you to receive no public money of any kind and allows the police to use whatever force necessary when you pose a danger to yourself or others when whacked out.
Somehow the same people that want legal drugs also want to suck on the public teat.

18 posted on 09/29/2009 5:02:10 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Boogieman
Where in the constitution does it enumerate that the Feds have the authority to regulate what plants a person consumes?

The drug warriors claim it's a combination of the interstate commerce and necessary and proper clauses that creates the power.
19 posted on 09/29/2009 5:08:59 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Boogieman
Justice Thomas rejected the elastic view of the Commerce Clause:

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything, and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

Justice Thomas, dissenting in Raich

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Justice Scalia put himself four-square on the side of the Wickard New Deal Commerce Clause:

"...the authority to enact laws necessary and proper for the regulation of interstate commerce is not limited to laws governing intrastate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce. Where necessary to make a regulation of interstate commerce effective, Congress may regulate even those intrastate activities that do not themselves substantially affect interstate commerce."

Justice Scalia, concurring in Raich

20 posted on 09/29/2009 5:11:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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