Posted on 09/27/2009 7:14:55 PM PDT by yongin
As contemptible as this is, I’ve got two good reasons to spare you a harangue about it. One: I’ve already written that harangue, and after the summer coup in Tehran and another year of cheat-and-retreat on their nuclear program, it’s truer now than it was then. And two: Thankfully, this old crank’s isolationist denialism is so fringe on the right that not even mainstreamers who are sympathetic to his broader agenda, like Glenn Beck, will go near it. It’s almost not worth bothering about. But suffice it to say, in the unlikely event that the three-percent rEVOLution ever commands the foreign-policy agenda of the GOP, I’ll run — not walk — into the Blue Dogs’ arms. As Paul spoke passionately about ending all military operations and keeping government out of people’s “lifestyles,” a lone heckler began to shout, “Tell her!” Bachmann remained serene, hands folded in her lap, facing Paul. Bringing up Obama’s announcement that Iran had secret underground nuclear facilities, Paul announced that he had had enough of “fear-mongering” for the sake of the “military-industrial complex.” Bachmann, who once advocated nuking Iran, kept her eyes trained on Paul as her heckler repeated, “Tell her! Tell Michele! Tell her!” A few more choice quotes from Think Progress: We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq. What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war. I’m not sure what “lie” it is we’re being told about Iran, but then this is a guy so eager to see American “lies” at work vis-a-vis enemy powers that he’s been known to accuse the feds preemptively of telling them. Anyway, the point to take away about his Iran shtick is that it’s not an argument about strategy, i.e. “They’re a threat but non-intervention is the best way to stop them.” It’s an argument about facts, i.e. “There is no threat,” which it has to be because once he admits that Iran is dangerous his isolationist “solution” becomes impossible to sell. In that sense he reminds me of opponents of waterboarding, forced to insist that coercive interrogation never ever works because once they admit that it does, their absolutist opposition is politically dead on arrival. Conservatives complain frequently about Paul’s penchant for blaming America — and here, too, in the blockquote above, he’s already laying the groundwork to say “we started it” if and when Iran tries something — but his foreign policy, such as it is, leaves him with no other choice. The only way isolationism works is if literally any form of intervention against an enemy is morally wrong and just cause for disproportionate reprisal. Which is another way of saying it doesn’t work. Happy viewing.
I have talked face to face many time with Paul supporters, they give out the same talking points of the Code Pinkos and other far left groups.
They are at the Tea Parties giving out papers pushing 9/11 Truther propaganda and the ant war line.
His son Rand has the same line only more smooth.
Sadly, that 'weakness' has already been elected (three years to go) and puts everyone in danger. See, without a clear 'leader', the world's nations will act like punks on the playground- those who bully the most will reap the most.
After his Azholian Address to the UN, we're now no better than any other nation, which means: we'll not be there to punch some puke-face dictator in the mouth should the need arise. This comes directly from Chicago's streets where 'community' is the end, and the 'leaderless' collective strives toward that end using presuasion and collective pressure (think peer pressure) to acheive it.
Well, guess what? Ain't no dictator in the world that's gonna listen to 'street boy' lecture them when he hasn't the balls to stop them, is there?
The difference between Paul and Obama is that Paul thinks you can ignore them, whereas Obama thinks you can browbeat them into conformity and community. Both are wrong.
This world's nutcases need a parental figure to smack them down when they go off half-cocked.
The first day we learned Iran was building enrichment facilities, we should have flattened them. The second day we learned of another facility, we should have flattened that too. The key is to know you 'are' the leader and to act as such. That's why the next few years will be dangerous: on this, teleprompter boy is clueless.
“Thy have no delivery system, no to mention that we’re arguably third on their target list. “
That’s comforting. You mean we’ve got some time to get our affairs in order and make our peace with God before they get around to nuking us?
The GOP establishment has rallied around Rand Paul’s primary opponent, Trey Grayson, Ky’s Security of State. So, Rand Paul isn’t getting much press.
And as far as Israel, they have been standing up and defending themselves for years. The only reason they have not take out those reactors is their "allies" have held them back, for fears of their own.
Not only does Paul want to slash the size of the US military, he wants to undermine our national defense capabilities and eliminate the DHS, CIA and the FBI. Leaving America without any intelligence apparatus whatsoever.
Ron Paul, pacifist and isolationist. What a combo!
Paul will never be a formidable candidate and you can take it to the bank. Easing up is disguising his true thoughts and frankly I want to know where a candidate stands.
Knowing some of the Ron Paul people here — not thanks. They helped write the worst platform I have ever seen in my life which contradicted parts.
The stand against our military overseas made me see red but they were just following the lead of Paul. As far as they were concerned 9/11 didn’t happen.
No thanks to Ron Paul EVER! He couldn’t even be counted on to vote for the Bush Tax Cuts.
Same here! We have a Ron Paul candidate running against my Congressman. We have two major bases in the 4th District — Tinker AFB and Ft Sill in Lawton. The Ron Paul supporter is against both being in Oklahoma. Wouldn’t give you two cents for any of his supporters I have met here.
In fact in my precinct, I was taken out as the chair illegally by a Ron Paul person who didn’t live in the precinct at the time of the election. I was not running for the seat as I am doing other things in politics but our County Chair didn’t hold a new election which we demanded and instead appointed another Ron Paul person to head the precinct. Then the County Chair got mad when I went to the State Chair about what happened. Crooked bunch of people at least here.
Two of the terrorists who flew the plane into the Pentagon lived 6 miles from me in San Diego.
That was one hell of a delivery system along with the two planes into the WTC. 3,000+ people killed and it just took a few planes
Some of the people on FR are either DU trolls, or Libertarian Kool Aid drinkers who believe in the far left foreign policy.
They go through the day saying wishing makes it so.
Those Paulite supporters will split the vote and the Democrat would have the better chance of winning.
I guess that is the Paulite’s strategy
I agree with you — they love to play spoiler but their mantra is wearing out around the Country from what I can tell.
There was another threads up earlier with if not the pure, the folks on the threads would rather have Democrats including Obama.
Paul shouldn’t “ease up” on foreign policy which he believes is intimately related to domestic policy. Conservatives who try to separate the two are fooling themselves. As Americans continue to die in Obama’s futile wars, Paul will be shown to be ahead of the curve. Keep it up Ron!
Not a single one of those terrorists was an Iraqi. Most came from our “allied” Islamo-fascist countries which have receivd billions of U.S. aid, especially Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
You would clean around your house as a tornado aimed right at it.
Better the inside be tidy and nevermind about the outside.
You probably didn’t think we shoud have fought against Hitler because he wasn’t the one who bombed Pearl Harbor
That is really dumb — shows their lack of intelligence if they were rather have Dems including Obama. Wonder how much they get paid for posting junk on here?
Well, good thing we’ve got such secure borders then huh? Oh, right. And again, it’s not about intent, it’s about capability.
As far as Israel, it’s time to put up or shut up. We’ve given them the best equipment in the world, and they’ve got the best intelligence service in the Mossad. If anyone knows exactly what Iran has, it’s them. It’s time for Israel to put their survival first and foremost and stop waiting for others to act. They can’t afford to stand around and wait for Obama or the UN.
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