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A life not worth living?
BBC News ^ | 9/25/09 | BBC News

Posted on 09/27/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by wagglebee

New guidance has been issued to clarify the law on assisted suicide in England and Wales - but it offers no guarantees against prosecution.

Instead the Director of Public Prosecutions has spelled out the range of factors that will be taken into account when deciding on cases.

The move has been welcomed by 33 year old Kelly Taylor from Bristol who is terminally ill.

In 2005 she tried to starve herself in the hope she would end her pain.

"I think the new guidelines are a breakthrough, as it gives people the knowledge when and where they're going wrong and when they could be prosecuted. It also gives people like me greater patient choice."

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"At the end of the day I'm suffering. The hospice for all they're worth cannot take away the emotional pain that I'm in and they cannot take away any of the physical pain.

"I still want to die. I don't believe in prolonging a life that isn't worth living."

The Nazis introduced the idea that there were lives "not worth living" and the "worth" was totally based on financial costs. It is sad that this young woman has been manipulated by the culture of death into believing that her life is worthless.

1 posted on 09/27/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/27/2009 10:20:17 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 09/27/2009 10:20:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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It is sad that this young woman has been manipulated by the culture of death into believing that her life is worthless.

Yeah, it's not like a person could make a decision on her own! Other people know SO much more than she does about her pain and whether she wants to live! </sarc>

By the way, she didn't say her life was "worthless"...I think that it's sick that you make that claim.

4 posted on 09/27/2009 10:28:29 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Let’s get this information out; some might want to contact their email lists with this piece.


5 posted on 09/27/2009 10:31:24 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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By the way, she didn't say her life was "worthless"...I think that it's sick that you make that claim.

Actually, she DID:

"I still want to die. I don't believe in prolonging a life that isn't worth living."

Glad to see that you're still pushing the culture of death's agenda. The way things are going, you could be one of Zero's czars.

6 posted on 09/27/2009 10:34:08 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I think Socrates beat them to the punch, "the unexamined life is not worth living for a rational man." Needless to say, this was not a call to murder. It was a statement that he'd rather die than stop thinking. Which wasn't theoretical, it was the choice Athens gave him.

As for the subject of the article, it recalls Chesterton in Heretics.

"At any innocent tea-table we may easily hear a man say, "Life is not worth living." We regard it as we regard the statement that it is a fine day; nobody thinks that it can possibly have any serious effect on the man or on the world. And yet if that utterance were really believed, the world would stand on its head. Murderers would be given medals for saving men from life; firemen would be denounced for keeping men from death; poisons would be used as medicines; doctors would be called in when people were well; the Royal Humane Society would be rooted out like a horde of assassins. Yet we never speculate as to whether the conversational pessimist will strengthen or disorganize society; for we are convinced that theories do not matter. "

7 posted on 09/27/2009 10:40:54 AM PDT by JasonC
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8 posted on 09/27/2009 1:49:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Chesterton was clever...clever enough that I think that he intentionally twisted and conflated the individual with the generic.


9 posted on 09/27/2009 2:45:02 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Actually, she DID:

You posted "isn't worth living" and then equated that with "worthless." No wonder you are so mixed up.

Suppose, for instance, you wake up early Saturday morning and think of how tasty the pastries from the local bakery are...but decide that (a) you don't want to get out of bed, and (b) you don't want to ruin your diet.

Did you just call the pastries "worthless," or did you just decide that they weren't worth it?

If you can't see the difference, it only reinforces the reason that you shouldn't be making the decisions for other people how to run their lives.

Glad to see that you're still pushing the culture of death's agenda.

Actually, I'm not at all doing so.

I'm pushing a culture of respect for individuals and their freedom to make choices about their own lives.

It's really quite American. And what is so wrong with that? What do you have against people making their own choices about their own lives? The way things are going, you could be one of Zero's czars.

Nope. Your anti-freedom, anti-individual view is much more in line with his idea that government knows better than individual citizens what decisions to make about their lives.

10 posted on 09/27/2009 4:25:38 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Fixing the post...

Actually, she DID:

You posted "isn't worth living" and then equated that with "worthless." No wonder you are so mixed up.

Suppose, for instance, you wake up early Saturday morning and think of how tasty the pastries from the local bakery are...but decide that (a) you don't want to get out of bed, and (b) you don't want to ruin your diet.

Did you just call the pastries "worthless," or did you just decide that they weren't worth it?

If you can't see the difference, it only reinforces the reason that you shouldn't be making the decisions for other people how to run their lives.

Glad to see that you're still pushing the culture of death's agenda.

Actually, I'm not at all doing so.

I'm pushing a culture of respect for individuals and their freedom to make choices about their own lives.

It's really quite American. And what is so wrong with that? What do you have against people making their own choices about their own lives?

The way things are going, you could be one of Zero's czars.

Nope. Your anti-freedom, anti-individual view is much more in line with his idea that government knows better than individual citizens what decisions to make about their lives.

11 posted on 09/27/2009 4:26:41 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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You posted "isn't worth living" and then equated that with "worthless." No wonder you are so mixed up.

YOU want to kill people and you think I am "mixed up"?

I'm pushing a culture of respect for individuals and their freedom to make choices about their own lives.

Right and the abortionists are pushing a "culture of respect."

You've been pushing euthanasia/assisted suicide for years and everyone knows it.

Nope. Your anti-freedom, anti-individual view is much more in line with his idea that government knows better than individual citizens what decisions to make about their lives.

Nope. Your anti-freedom, anti-individual view is much more in line with his idea that government knows better than individual citizens what decisions to make about their lives.

Hey troll, euthanasia is by definition anti-freedom and anti-individual.

The VA death manuals sound identical to what you've been saying for years.

12 posted on 09/27/2009 4:39:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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While promoting euthanasia (which is by definition the culture of death’s agenda), you deny pushing the culture of death’s agenda. You place artificial qualifications (such as brain function) on the “right” to life, which you fail to meet. Do you not see the irony?


13 posted on 09/27/2009 4:53:25 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the trolls (even those within our ranks). Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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YOU want to kill people and you think I am "mixed up"?

Please show the fine people where I ever indicated I want to kill people. Or keep your libelous fantasies to yourself.

Right and the abortionists are pushing a "culture of respect."

I must disagree with you on that.

You've been pushing euthanasia/assisted suicide for years and everyone knows it.

Uh, no. I've been pushing the right to voluntary (i.e., requested) euthanasia/assisted suicide. You evidently can't comprehend the idea of people making their own decisions...why is it so important to you that people be controlled by others? I push for the right of people to make up their own minds, not have someone else force it on them. Why does that scare you so?

Hey troll, euthanasia is by definition anti-freedom and anti-individual.

First of all, my behavior is decidedly not trollish.

Secondly, if you want to define ("by definition") euthanasia that way, then please explain your definition of euthanasia. Do you not distinguish between involuntary euthanasia (something I oppose, obviously, as it is directly counter to respecting an individual's wishes) and voluntary? If not, then please give the other terms you want to redefine to make that distinction.

It's pointless to change definitions and pretend that's discussion.

14 posted on 09/27/2009 4:57:27 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Please show the fine people where I ever indicated I want to kill people. Or keep your libelous fantasies to yourself.

I equate pushing the culture of death's euthanasia/assisted suicide agenda with wanting to kill people. Obviously, I don't respect how the culture of death likes to redefine words to fit their agenda, you know, words like "voluntary" and "choice" and "worth living".

Uh, no. I've been pushing the right to voluntary (i.e., requested) euthanasia/assisted suicide. You evidently can't comprehend the idea of people making their own decisions...why is it so important to you that people be controlled by others? I push for the right of people to make up their own minds, not have someone else force it on them. Why does that scare you so?

Right, it always starts out as "voluntary", then it's no longer voluntary.

First of all, my behavior is decidedly not trollish.

Have you noticed that you aren't getting the kind of support around here you used to? Zero has opened a lot of people's eyes.

15 posted on 09/27/2009 5:05:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Gondring, you may not realize it, but you aren’t any different from all theose folks who say, “So what if Canada has a problem with their health care, we’re a different country” or “All those tales about bad medicine in other countries with universal health care are just lies and horror stories.”

When we open the door to “assisted suicide,” it gets abused. See Oregon and the Netherlands for examples.


16 posted on 09/27/2009 5:20:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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Have you ever noticed the biggest euthanasia advocates
never sign up to be first in line to avail themselves of
all the starvation and dehydration laws they’ve put in place?

Hey Dick Lamm and George Soros - it’s for you!


17 posted on 09/27/2009 5:29:47 PM PDT by Lesforlife
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18 posted on 09/27/2009 5:47:15 PM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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19 posted on 09/27/2009 6:32:39 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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I equate pushing the culture of death's euthanasia/assisted suicide agenda with wanting to kill people.

Well, I've never pushed those agenda. The culture of death is not interested in people having the right to choose life or death. It's more like you, wanting to force a decision on a person.

So the fact is, I have never indicated I want to kill people, and you made it up.

Obviously, I don't respect how the culture of death likes to redefine words to fit their agenda, you know, words like "voluntary" and "choice" and "worth living".

Agreed. I am also against the culture of death. I'm in favor of a Culture of RespectTM...respect for individual people and their decisions, and that's what separates us.

Right, it always starts out as "voluntary", then it's no longer voluntary.

That happens only when people like Obama and you get their way, making things involuntary. If we can achieve a culture of respect for the individual choices, then we obviously don't get the involuntary.

But evidently you want it to become involuntary, or else you are a fatalist and believe that there's no way we can avoid tyrrany.

If the culture that I support wins out, then there will not be "involuntary" and people's rights will be respected. Why are you so against that?

Besides, your claim is specious.

Have you noticed that you aren't getting the kind of support around here you used to?

Yeah, funny how threats of getting banned force people to message support in private, isn't it?

And it's also funny how those who try to win arguments by silencing opponents via threats are the ones who look like fools (actually, the descriptions I've heard have been a lot more colorful :-).

20 posted on 09/27/2009 9:47:55 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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