Posted on 09/26/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by livius
If nothing else, the Obama eruption in American politics is steadily revealing the stark reality behind the progressive movement - the totalitarian temptation is always there and, for more than a few, possessing the official power to compel sooner or later becomes irresistible.
Not everybody on the left, of course. Some of the folks I most admire in this town are liberals whose work on behalf of values like transparency in government and protecting civil liberties is remarkable and essential.
Still, that this danger is real and growing becomes more obvious as public opposition grows to the president's across-the-board campaign to turn Washington into the all-powerful, centralized behemoth that Woodrow Wilson and FDR could only dream about.
Consider: Nowhere does the Constitution grant Congress authority to require every American to buy a particular private service or product on pain of forfeiture of a significant portion of their wealth. Yet, every version of Obamacare currently being discussed in Congress requires just that.
Forcing all of us to buy officially approved health insurance is essential to a functioning government-run system. As Obama told Congress, "many of insurance reforms we seek - especially requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions - cannot be achieved" without the individual mandate.
Why? Because the politicians and bureaucrats who will manage the government-run health care program know that, without the force of government behind them, they won't be able to make the rest of us do what they tell us to do.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
>>>> You would not be forced into medical experiments. The authors are not talking about Nazi like experimentation <<<<
Are you having some kind of problem?
Anyone who wants to can read the JAMA abstract posted above and plainly see that Ezekiel Emanuel believes there is “an obligation to participate in biomedical research” and says that “all have a duty to participate”, adding that “individuals should participate unless they have a good reason not to.”
Those beliefs are at the root of forced medical experimentation.
You really ought to have your posts deleted by the mods, because your comments are ridiculous.
Strange. Today, after posting this, I went to my local Publix (a Florida grocery chain) and happened to see a guy in the parking lot whose truck was plastered with anti-Obama stickers.
When I came out of the store, I saw him putting his groceries into the truck and I told him I liked his stickers. He told me that he thinks there’s going to be a war within our borders sooner rather than later unless this government starts listening to the dissatisfaction of the citizens.
It’s still hard for me to imagine that my country, which I have actually taken for granted all these years by assuming that whoever was president at a given moment couldn’t really do a lot of damage because of our system, is headed down this road. But I’m beginning to think it is.
I think a lot of voters believed they were voting for an updated version of Bill Clinton (who was awful, but probably didn’t want to be Dear Leader) and are suddenly realizing they voted for Pol Pot.
I don't know if "love" is the right word. The attraction that so many have for them seems to me to be that attraction an insect feels for a venus flytrap. Love them or not, the people who were brutalized and murdured by the Khmer Rouge did, as you say, look into the eyes of "snickering, sneering, smug, adolescent psychotics,"
Again I commend you on capturing the persona of the modern American left in a simple sentence. I hope they continue to be unmasked so the American public can learn what malevolent, rapacious and cruel people they really are.
Thought I’d bring to your attention posts #8 and $20, where forced medical experimentation is equated to “jury duty.”
Well, that’s kind of silly and not really worth wasting much time on. Jury duty is actually a privilege.
Don’t do your jury duty? Fine, get a jury of deaf liberal retirees and welfare bums (some of the juries I’ve seen). See if you like it when you’re on trial, which will probably happen to most of us on this board before long.
I don’t see any equivalence between the two. One amounts to a compulsary service and the other to a violation of person, with a potential for harm. I take the guy at his word that he wasn’t suggesting Mengle-like activity, but it’s still creepy for me to think about. I’d always want the last word in something like that.
It is coming. The Left is blood thirsty for it’s enemies. They have power now. They will use it if they can get away with it. They have called for “climate warming deniers” to be killed...they really don’t mind killing and have long history of killing.
I am hoping they can still be stopped. If we make it to November 2010, the House will change massively and their project will be halted. But I’m not sure we’re going to make it to 2010.
I’m afraid that fellow was right. I’ve been predicting it since just after the election when Obama started down this road, the map for which he detailed to any who cared to pay attention BEFORE the election.
Many voters wanted a “change” from the same old same old Bushes, McCains and the rest. They voted for Obama because they still harbored the now badly mistaken notion that “THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE” and didn’t think Obama would stay on that path. They were wrong. The huge welfare class at whom he really aimed his campaign lies were all for it as they would be the recipients of the flow of new manna from Washington. He has — and will — remain on that course and there will be a push-back at some point.
Sadly, it appears that over a century of government school indoctrination in the finer points of Marxist/socialist philosophy have finally reached critical mass and now we’re heading into crunch time.
Obama is a deeply disturbed, egocentric personality. A number of professionals in the field have come to see him as a malignant narcissist with a dangerous belief in his invincibility and a sick, elevated sense of his own self-worth and intellectual and ideological superiority. That’s a recipe for what’s coming as he in all liklihood WILL NOT stop pushing the rest of us around even after some of the rest of us start pushing back — physically.
If America finally breaks, it will be at that point and he will use the ensuing civil unrest to finally declare the already moribund Constitution null and void and make his final push to a totalitarian regime.
Barring divine intervention, there will be blood.
How that will culminate depends on such a huge number of varibles that it’s anybody’s guess. Which side our military and ex-military take will be a large factor. That explains why Napolitano declared those men and women as potential terrorists. Obama and his flunkies — just as tyrants throughout history — have always had to find a way to coopt or eliminate those folks.
I’m praying that it ends well but, whatever the outcome, those who put this deeply disturbed man in a position of power will count it as one of the major regrets of their lives.
It CAN and almost certainly WILL happen here.
Pray for America.
NOWHERE TO HIDE
7 MINUTE VIDEO ON OUR CURRENT MESS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvqb_JcAK18
This should help.
NOT!
DEFINITELY NOT PC!!
Barack Hussein Obama is THE ONE.
Just as your government schooled child!
Under 3 minute video depicting how the Obama cultists resemble Hitler cultists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u0GJSZttZE&feature=channel_page
The moderator’s job is not to delete posts that you do not like. You are completely mischaracterizing my remarks, trying to make some sensational claim that I support forced medical experimentation.
I do not support his proposal nor do I support forced jury duty. Nazi like medical experimentation was not based on civic duty. It was based on forced enslavement. I do not support civic duty for medical research.
I do not know the details of Ezekiel Emanuel’s proposal. Participation in research is a broad statement from participation in surveys to medical trials. Internal review boards have strict guidelines about participation in research. There is no way that internal review boards will allow anyone to be forced into a medical procedure or trial much less survey participation. The medical journal would never have published his abstract if it had anything to do with forced participation.
Considering you said this, I expect you might of made a mistake:
”I do not support civic duty for medical research.”
sorry for all the grammar and spelling mistakes in my post to you... I am playing a game and wasn’t really paying attention.
>>> The moderator’s job is not to delete posts that you do not like. <<<<
The mods might delete your preposterous and inane comments if you ask them to.
You should, because they make you look like a maniac.
You are jerk, trying to mischaracterize my remarks. Unfortunately for you, no one else seems to agree with your mischaracterization of my remarks. I never stated that forced participation in medical experiments (Nazi like experiments) was equivalent to jury duty. I stated that a civic duty for participation in medical research (in a broad sense) was similar to a civic duty for jury duty. I do not support a civic duty for medical research nor for jury duty.
>>> I stated that a civic duty for participation in medical research (in a broad sense) was similar to a civic duty for jury duty. <<<
Okey dokey. We’re done then.
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