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Russian maker of AK-47 faces bankruptcy
The Scotsman ^ | 23 September 2009 | Matthew Day

Posted on 09/23/2009 12:02:21 AM PDT by kingattax

THE Russian producer of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the world's most ubiquitous firearm, is facing bankruptcy owing to falling orders.

A court in the Russian region of Udmurtiya has accepted a bankruptcy petition filed against Izhmash, the country's biggest arms manufacturer and the maker of the rifle.

The iconic weapon has been produced in the millions and adopted by 106 armed forces across the globe, but production in its home land is now in doubt.

Another Russian company, Gremikha, claims that the AK's maker owes them £8 million, and has now gone to court to get its money.

Arms sales have crashed and Izhmash has frozen production of the AK-47 at its Molot factory due to a lack of orders from the state. But analysts believe that bankruptcy could allow the company to be restructured and then restarted without its debt burden.

Izhmash has made no comment over its financial future


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: 762mm; ak47; banglist; kalashnikov; mikhailkalashnikov; rifle
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1 posted on 09/23/2009 12:02:22 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

good....................


2 posted on 09/23/2009 12:04:36 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: kingattax

The price of Saigas, especially their shotguns, is about to go through the roof! Get’em while you can.


3 posted on 09/23/2009 12:17:53 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: kingattax

This is where all the foreign copies bite them in the butt.


4 posted on 09/23/2009 12:23:12 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Brass Lamp
The price of Saigas, especially their shotguns, is about to go through the roof! Get’em while you can.

Yep.

I'd better go out and grab a Saiga 12.

5 posted on 09/23/2009 12:34:41 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Brass Lamp

Why is the Russian manufacturer of the AK47 almost going out of business? That’s because a large fraction of the world’s output of AK-47s is now coming from China and India nowadays, and most armies and terrorist organizations want more modern weapons such as the Norinco-manufactured QBZ-95.


6 posted on 09/23/2009 12:37:14 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: kingattax

A shame. A good weapon.


7 posted on 09/23/2009 1:07:38 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: kingattax; All
My Russians friends (now living in U.S.) have told me that there are better guns for Russian Army than AK-47. It was alter all designed in 1947. The technology is old.

My Russian friend has also told me you can't hit anything past 50 yards or so with the gun because it kicks like a mule.

Can any of you Freepers with expertise in this area confirm these comments. I've never fired an AK-47 or even seen one in real life.
8 posted on 09/23/2009 1:52:49 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: kingattax

I always get annoyed when I’m at the shooting range and some wannabe banger shows up with one of those horrible cheap Romanian knock-off AK’s. The spent cartridges blast straight out at eye level towards whoever happens to be on the shooter’s right.


9 posted on 09/23/2009 2:12:19 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: truthguy

—those with which I am familiar will do 3-6 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sights. On semi-auto the heavy AK has little recoil—


10 posted on 09/23/2009 2:35:31 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: kingattax

The Molot rifle were hard to get to begin with.

Now VEPRS will be down right rare.


11 posted on 09/23/2009 2:40:34 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: truthguy
My Russian friend has also told me you can't hit anything past 50 yards or so with the gun because it kicks like a mule.

The accuracy may be questionable due to manufacturing, not recoil. For recoil, 7.62x39 is light but then again I shoot a .338 and .45-70.
12 posted on 09/23/2009 2:45:34 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: mylife

Molot. Finest AK in the world

13 posted on 09/23/2009 2:47:47 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Molot VEPR 12


14 posted on 09/23/2009 2:55:14 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: kingattax

aw dammit.. they make good guns. wish i had the dough to go out and get a Saiga-12.. my Saiga 7.62x39 is a great gun.. er, was before the boating accident where it was lost to the murky depths............


15 posted on 09/23/2009 3:02:34 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Brass Lamp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugmbARIVtM
This is one of my favorite saiga vid’s.


16 posted on 09/23/2009 3:34:17 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: truthguy

Our own AR-15 was designed in 1958, but is still a very fine rifle. The Remington 870 shotgun was designed in the 50s. The M1911 (”Colt .45” style pistol) went into service in 1911, and there are a dozen companies making all types of them today with shooters tricking them out in every way imaginable. Even “modern” pistols like the Glock are getting close to 30 years old.

Yes, the AK is crude, but as a C&R license holder I can tell you age alone doesn’t make a firearm obsolete—we could throw a bullet down a tube a hundred years ago with great accuracy, and there are tons of guys shooting M1 Garands and the like. My commie pistols (CZ-52 and TT-33) sat encased in cosmoline for 60 years, and while they may be crude in design, underneath the preservative they were brand new and shoot like it.

The AK is uncontrollable if you’re some ignorant thug in Somalia firing full-auto from the hip. Any passable shooter can shoot decent groups at 100 yards with one, and beyond that if they put some work into accurizing it. If you want to do real distance shooting you can spend the money on a Romanian PSL (AK-pattern SVD Dragunov knockoff), but as far as real world uses go 100 yards should have you covered.

As far as recoil goes, it’s all relative. Yes the combination of crude clearances and the piston system make it a bit “rougher” firing, but the actual kick is minimal because it’s an “intermediate” round (~1300 ft-lbs energy) like the AR-15, not a real rifle round. For comparison, a .45 is about 500 ft-lbs, a .44 Magnum is about 1000, and true rifle rounds like the .308 range from 2500-3500 ft-lbs.


17 posted on 09/23/2009 3:35:33 AM PDT by BobbyT
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To: kingattax

There are already so many AK’s floating around, the weapon is a victim of its own success.


18 posted on 09/23/2009 3:39:23 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: RayChuang88
"terrorist organizations want more modern weapons"

Very true.

But burgeoning despots know that using revolutionary troops and otherwise ill trained spray and pray cannon fodder, you need a simple weapon with a good rate of fire that is accurate (close in) and that works clean or dirty.

When I set myself up as the head of some African crap hole, I'm arming the boys ith the AK, no question.

19 posted on 09/23/2009 3:42:40 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: truthguy

My son hit a target with just iron sights at 100 and 200 yards. Doesn’t kick too bad . Try a 45-70 in a H&R Handi-rifle if you want a mule kick.


20 posted on 09/23/2009 3:53:13 AM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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