The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.
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Ayn Rand was an Atheist.
The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.
It's interesting you mention Ayn Rand. She - and modern libertarianism in general - are not classical liberalism. They are a Romantic (mis)interpretation of classical liberalism.
That isn't going to fly here on FR. We know better.
Try it over at DU.
No, I don't think that's quite right OldSpice. Not that Ayn Rand wasn't an atheist. She was. What I'm driving at is Ayn Rand shared some of the Founding Fathers' views. She simply edited out all the parts she disagreed with.
For instance, she was glad to accept bennies like unalienable rights. But she thought she could ignore the Founding Fathers' insistence that the only thing that makes a right unalienable is because it is the direct grant of the Creator. And of course, this Creator is the God of Judeo-Christian tradition, itself the major bulwark of natural law theory.
The way the Founding Fathers understood the idea of unalienable right — e.g., life, liberty, property (or "pursuit of happiness") — was to see it as something imbued in human nature itself. And it was the Creator Who directly did the "imbuing" when He created man.
Sneer at that, anyone who wants to. But you'd be sneering at the Founding Fathers if you did.
According to natural law theory, God, being Creator and ultimate authority of His creation, is thus universally superior to the State — i.e., to any human system of government — in the order of natural justice. From whence it follows that no State has the power or authority to set aside, abridge, tamper with, etc., any direct grant of God.
In short, the Founders knew something that Rand didn't: It is the authority of God alone that authenticates and defends the natural, unalienable rights of every human person.
Natural law/natural justice — the basis of American justice — is "natural" because it is founded in God. All other systems of "justice" are founded in the ideologies of transient intellectuals.
Evidently Rand thought that unalienable rights could be secured on some other basis than that which the Founding Fathers insisted upon. But she never really tells us what that basis is.
I gather the dear lady just had an enormous blind spot.
Meanwhile, natural law theory is under attack and traduced from all sides nowadays — as Linda Kimball's splendid article so cogently documents.
I can't think of one who was an atheist. I can think of several who were Deists.
Is that what you mean ?
You are misinformed.
Ayn Rand was an Atheist.Name them OldSpice - go ahead name them, if you can.The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.
The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.”
You lie.
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Also the wallbuilders.com site itself is great.
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> Ayn Rand was an Atheist.
>
> The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.
Hmmmmm... Troll bait. I smell troll bait. Pommy-flavored troll bait, to be exact. I wonder what it’s doing here...?
Should I bite? Can it be possible that this Pommy Troll doesn’t know that the prominent Founding Fathers were Freemasons, and thus it was impossible for them to be Atheists?
Do we have time today to engage in a meaningless discourse with a Troll over bloody nonsense? To what end?
Where’s the trap? It’s got to be hidden around here someplace. Nobody leaves Pommy-flavored Troll Bait lying around unless there’s also a trap lying around too...
...so where is it? It must be cunningly hidden.
The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.
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However, every single atheist government has been fascist or communist.
Every atheist government has been known mainly for its oppression.
Get a grip on reality.
You're outta there!
Old Spice: Fat chance.
“The prominent Founding Fathers shared her views.”
Funny, I live not far from teh New Windsor cantonment, and at said site George Washington himself ordered the construction of a chuurch.
And he officiated prayers there.
Atheist you say?
Would an atheist do that?
Wow! Mixing truth with lies is even a bigger lie.
While it is likely true that our Founding Fathers would have sided with Ayn Rand on her economic philosophy, I simply don't see the evidence that they were atheists.
I've been searching for Benjamin Franklin's letter to Dr. Rush outlining his plans for a Charity school for boys. Franklin planned for a thoroughly Christian based school for these boys. It included heavy doses of bible study, study of Christian philosophers, and daily prayer. Geeze!...And... Franklin would be considered one of the more worldly deist of the Founding Fathers.
If I can find this letter I will post it. I am motivated to take the time to do it because I would like the link bookmarked to refute later posts similar to yours.
