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To: newfreep

” To believe in evolution is similar to believing watch parts can be placed inside a box, shaken and out comes a completed watch.

Just common sense tells us “Intelligent Design” (i.e. God as THE creator) is responsible.”

Then who created god?....

What doesn’t work for me is that the complexity of DNA or the ‘perfect balance’ of the universe must have been created because of their complexity and balance, yet the far more complex and perfect God has no creator..... Either perfection and complexity requires a creator or it doesn’t.


23 posted on 09/16/2009 6:09:32 AM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: AussieJoe
Then who created god?....

Common question with huge implications. If you're genuinely interested in the answer, read on. I don't deal with "snipers" though.

God is the unique, eternal uncaused cause. He has to be uncaused, because it can't logically flow that He would have a cause (or creator). And He has to be unique, because if He were multiple, logic would dictate that some other entity created the multiples.

25 posted on 09/16/2009 6:12:52 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: AussieJoe
God always was and always will be.

To reject God is to accept the sheer impossibility of the watch parts analogy.

In addition, the fact Christ's shroud has NEVER been replicated speaks volumes. How does someone who rejects God explain Christ's shroud?

I hope someday you accept God in your heart.......

26 posted on 09/16/2009 6:14:44 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: AussieJoe; newfreep; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Then who created god?....

God is an entity, not a thing, like the material universe. Beyond that, you could keep going on forever about who created the one who created, ad nauseum. Since we are bound by time and space, it is beyond our comprehension that nobody needed to create God.

Whatever was the highest order of creative entities is the one that we would call God, the first mover. If something created God, He wouldn't be God, he'd just be a created being.

What doesn’t work for me is that the complexity of DNA or the ‘perfect balance’ of the universe must have been created because of their complexity and balance, yet the far more complex and perfect God has no creator..... Either perfection and complexity requires a creator or it doesn’t.

What doesn't work either is rejecting creation because of a lack of explanation of where God came from, but accepting that the universe created itself, with no explanation of where it came from.

30 posted on 09/16/2009 6:36:10 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AussieJoe

What doesn’t work for me is that the complexity of DNA or the ‘perfect balance’ of the universe must have been created because of their complexity and balance, yet the far more complex and perfect God has no creator..... Either perfection and complexity requires a creator or it doesn’t.


What’s curious to me is it just remains open ended then?

ad infinatum?


91 posted on 09/16/2009 5:44:15 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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