Posted on 09/14/2009 5:01:13 PM PDT by seanmerc
RUSH: And you enjoyed it for all the reasons that you've mentioned. But we've gotta be really, really careful here, Dana, about this left versus right government thing. You mentioned third party, and we've been through this with Perot.
CALLER: I know that. I know that. And I think Perot helped Clinton get in, I don't doubt that. I do believe there has to be a huge movement before people can vote that way.
RUSH: But a third party is not going to do anything other but ensure the reelection of Obama and every other Democrat running for office because even if you come up with a charismatic third-party presidential candidate, still isn't going to have anybody of any significance running in that party for seats in Congress of the US Senate unless this movement happened to become the majority movement in the country, and that's not what's happening. I respectfully disagree with you here. I understand the anger at the Republican Party. Hell, I've got it, too. I've had it for a long, long time. But don't make the mistake of thinking this is not a left versus right thing. This is a conservative ascendancy that's going on out there. You didn't show up and protest like this when the Republicans were in power.
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Dittos that. But, man, we need a HUGE turnout if we’re going to get conservatives and not RINOS in.
We sometimes have four conservatives vying for the same office. I select the one I like best.
I am not bi-partisan, and I consider both parties to be equally corrupt and evil. I have become anti-partisan, which is in keeping with our founding father's wishes. You would do well to do the same.
That is an incredible and wonderful problem to have. Here in Ohio we get the selection of maybe a couple liberals, that are posing as republicans. No let me rephase that .. we get a couple of liberals posing as conservatives.
Repubican = conservative NOT!!!!!!
It’s not as good as it sounds, because I am speaking to lower offices: i.e. local offices, but school boards are very important too. My US represenative is a democrat and every 2 years I keep hoping the GOP challenger can manage to unseat her. Hasn’t happened yet.
I would vote for Rush for president. He is much smarter than the leaders we have.
It will not be easy to remake the GOP. It may not be possible anytime soon. Don't expect the people in charge right now to step aside for conservatives just because they're losing elections. They don't seem to care much about elections.
Like McCain in 2008, 2012 is shaping up to be Romney's turn, don'tyaknow? He's done so much for the party. He's raising so much money for his fellows. It's his turn.
The guiding principles of the current incarnation of the GOP seem to be rooted in enjoying the power and money derived from being at the head of the party.
Not in conservatism.
Not in fiscal responsibility.
Not even in viable candidates.
Because of that - because the GOP is not the party of ideas or of principles or conservatism or fiscal responsibility, I will not vote for them. 2008 showed just how many people feel the same way.
If I'm wrong, 2012 (and hopefully 2010) will see the return of conservatism. If I'm right, 2012 (and hopefully 2010) will see the same mushy candidates as 2008. So far, the mush seems to be winning.
I am not bi-partisan, and I consider both parties to be equally corrupt and evil. I have become anti-partisan, which is in keeping with our founding father's wishes. You would do well to do the same.
I don't agree that the Republican party and the Democrat party "equally evil". I believe those who think that are either uninformed or bi-partisan.
I have seldom seen 4 real Conservatives... Reaganites, vying for the same office, and even when I do, by their records, there is usually a clearly superior candidate - one who can uphold the basic principles of all three pillars of Conservatism better than all the rest. "Like" has very little to do with it.
Yes (or worse) if we listen again to the failed siren song of the yellow dog Republicans.
I would have to agree....purging the Lindsey Grahams would help.
Ah, but you’re mistaken. All things considered otherwise equal the “likeable factor” has a lot to do with winning election.
Your statement is without evidence.
I’ve never heard of “yellow dog Republicans.”
Close call but Bush did more to advance big government. A massive bailout and nationalization of much banking and insruance, a prescription drugs boondogle, a reckless policy of low interest rates that created a bust, and a more expensive war that Vietnam trump LBJ.
“Close call but Bush did more to advance big government. A massive bailout and nationalization of much banking and insruance, a prescription drugs boondogle, a reckless policy of low interest rates that created a bust, and a more expensive war that Vietnam trump LBJ.”
You have a point.
You are exactly right. Obama would have never been elected without the dismal performance of his predecessor in the White House.
For the record, since some people seem to forget such details: Ron Paul ran as a Republican in the 2008 election, against a flock of RINOs who, to a man, defended everything that George W. Bush had done to ruin chances for a Republican victory that November.
The wars, the bailouts, the Medicare prescription drug plan, campaign finance reform -- all of it was on GWB's sorry record, but only one Republican presidential candidate had the intestinal fortitude to tell the American people these things were not conservative, not constitutional, and not in keeping with the traditions of the Republican Party.
Of course, the Republican establishment didn't want to hear it. So Ron Paul was not permitted to speak at the Republican convention, for fear he would attack the Bush policies of the past eight years and make the Republicans look "divided." Which he would have, I have no doubt.
Bad move on the RNC's part. Ron Paul supporters held their own rally in Minneapolis, with probably more in attendance than McLaim had at the official convention. And C-SPAN coverage to boot.
The Republican Party was divided whether the establishment knew it or not, and it remains divided to this day. Big-government "conservatives" remain firmly in charge, despite the protests. It will take another bruising like last year's before we begin to see a change in direction, I fear.
Well, there is a difference, isn’t there ? Saying otherwise is hyperbolic, not realistic.
You wouldn’t have seen a cap&trade bill, or a “stimulus” bill of that sort (though there probably would have been something), or a medical insurance bill under a Republican Congress in 2009.
As for Nixon vs McGovern, that was for Nixons 2nd term. How could you have permitted McGovern to get in ?
Your statement is without evidence.
The voting records of our Democrat and Republican congressmen are well documented. Plenty of conservative and liberal organizations tabulate their voting records and rate the candidates.
From what I've seen, on average Republicans in Congress vote conservative about 80% of the time. Democrats vote conservative on average about 15% of the time.
As I said, the two parties are not "equally evil".
“After the behavior of the GOP’s most recent president and Congress, how can the party realistically claim that it stands for the reduction of the state or fiscal responsibility?”
Conservatism is not about the choice between good and bad, it is about the choice between bad and worse. That is the bitter truth, and it has always been this way. We make the choice, to keep this thing we call civilization functioning. It is our responsibility to prevent disaster, which is always not too far away.
We cannot put that responsibility off on “Republicans”, and petulantly excuse ourselves from our duty because of their defects. We have to evaluate our options and hold our noses to do the necessary. Maybe we cannot realistically expect either the reduction of the state or fiscal responsibility. If so (and it is so, for the moment), then it is our duty to back whoever will be the most dilatory in expanding the state.
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