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The Case for Killing <strike>Granny</strike> ????? (fill in the blank>
Newsweek ^ | 9/12/09 | Evan Thomas

Posted on 09/14/2009 1:15:13 PM PDT by Renkluaf

My mother wanted to die, but the doctors wouldn't let her. At least that's the way it seemed to me as I stood by her bed in an intensive-care unit at a hospital in Hilton Head, S.C., five years ago. My mother was 79, a longtime smoker who was dying of emphysema. She knew that her quality of life was increasingly tethered to an oxygen tank, that she was losing her ability to get about, and that she was slowly drowning. The doctors at her bedside were recommending various tests and procedures to keep her alive, but my mother, with a certain firmness I recognized, said no. She seemed puzzled and a bit frustrated that she had to be so insistent on her own demise.

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I'm certain that this link has been posted but what strikes me about these pompous scribes are their smug assumptions that Granny will be the one pulling the short stick.

Maybe we should just opt to use the Even Thomas' of the world as organ donors to keep Granny spry and chipper.

Works for me!

1 posted on 09/14/2009 1:15:13 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: Renkluaf

So there won’t be death panels but some elderly should be told that the option is there if they want them and it’ll be quick and painless and...


2 posted on 09/14/2009 1:19:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I'm no racist, I oppose the political agenda of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Bill Ayers as well.)
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To: Renkluaf
When you kill someone you love who is suffering, it is very tricky business. It can be done for purely selfish reasons that the killer cannot stand to see the loved one suffering and ends the life for that reason.

I do not think the government has any place in that mix. We should always opt for life.

3 posted on 09/14/2009 1:21:26 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Renkluaf

If we accept that there is a collective responsibility to take care of the sick and pay for that care, then we have to accept that there is a collective authority to make decisions about what care is provided, right?


4 posted on 09/14/2009 1:22:45 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Renkluaf
Granny signs a “Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)” and that's the end of that. It's a procedure that's been going on in hospitals for years. She makes the decision and also makes the choice of whether she wants to be an organ donor. It's very simple and there's no conspiracy in this procedure.
5 posted on 09/14/2009 1:25:20 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: Candor7

Nobody kills anybody. You are always advised about a “Living Will” that gives YOU, the patient, the option to handle the ultimate decision before surgery.


6 posted on 09/14/2009 1:27:05 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: Renkluaf

How does opting to end one’s life affect the religious belief that doing in yourself is a sin?
I haven’t seen this discussed.


7 posted on 09/14/2009 1:28:33 PM PDT by greeter70 (`I)
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To: swain_forkbeard

The patient makes the decision. Period, and is given the option on how to handle problems as they occur during and after a medical procedure.


8 posted on 09/14/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: Candor7

“I do not think the government has any place in that mix.”

I agree totally.

“We should always opt for life.”

Who’s we? By all means, you should always opt for life, if you are willing to pay for that option.

It’s all about who decides and who pays. You can’t expect the government (or me, indirectly) to pay without giving the government (or me, indirectly) a place at the decision-making table.


9 posted on 09/14/2009 1:29:54 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Renkluaf

Until Americans learn to contemplate death as more than a scientific challenge to be overcome, our health-care system will remain unfixable.

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Of course, Evan, the skyrocketing costs have nothing to do with services being provided to illegals and huge awards going out from frivolous lawsuits, right? What a jerk!


10 posted on 09/14/2009 1:30:03 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: greeter70
Where's the sin? You have terminal cancer-no cure at all-and you have a heart attack. Leave a “Don Not Resuscitate” order and I don't think St. Peter is going throw you out of the Pearly Gates.
11 posted on 09/14/2009 1:31:26 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: greeter70

My wife’s very old grandfather (nearly 100 yrs) just got tired and stopped eating and wanted to stay home and didn’t want to go to the hospital to be fed through a tube and whatever else they might do to him. So he stayed in his house with his very old wife and died peacefully with those he loved and who loved him around.

Did he do himself in?


12 posted on 09/14/2009 1:35:32 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Renkluaf

Already posted.


13 posted on 09/14/2009 1:35:43 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: Renkluaf

You still read that rag NEWSWEEK?


14 posted on 09/14/2009 1:36:10 PM PDT by Palladin (ACORN is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Bigg Red
Until Americans learn to contemplate death as more than a scientific challenge to be overcome, our health-care system will remain unfixable.

No more calls please, we have a winner.


15 posted on 09/14/2009 1:37:13 PM PDT by Nick Danger (Free cheese is found only in mousetraps)
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To: ExiledChicagoan

“The patient makes the decision. Period.”

And the patient pays. Period.

Do you really see another way?


16 posted on 09/14/2009 1:39:18 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Most hospitals would listen to his story after doing an evaluation, have a shrink come in and simply talk to him to see what his frame of mind really was, and if he refused treatment, he would be released.

There are too many people who have no idea of what goes on one a family member dies. While they’re lucid, they are in the decision-making process.

If you’re worried about all of this, get a living will and make sure it’s available in your medical records, even if that means your GP’s folder in his office. Have it all spelled out what you want done in case you’re brought in to the hospital and unresponsive. Think ahead.


17 posted on 09/14/2009 1:41:33 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

The patient makes the decision. Period.”

And the patient pays. Period.

Do you really see another way?

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Don’t understand your point.


18 posted on 09/14/2009 1:43:13 PM PDT by ExiledChicagoan (I see a red door and I want it painted black. But that's just me.)
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To: Renkluaf

your tune will change when YOU are 79. You’ll get a whole new perspective.


19 posted on 09/14/2009 1:46:35 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Just who are the members of this collective?


20 posted on 09/14/2009 1:51:08 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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