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Girl Rejects Gardasil, Loses Path to Citizenship
ABC News ^ | Sept. 11, 2009 | SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES

Posted on 09/14/2009 8:38:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Hodar

So.

Baycol was approved by the FDA, too. How’d that one work out?

CA....


41 posted on 09/14/2009 9:45:48 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Hodar
So, my assualt on your liberty is going to...

That's how every tyranny begins.
42 posted on 09/14/2009 9:49:57 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Hodar

That link really did little to buttress your arguments here.

It does indeed tell us the vaccine was approved by the FDA in ‘06, but the gist of the article (indeed, it’s headline!) was about 2 girls who developed paralysis after having the vaccine administered.

Why don’t you try another tack?

CA....


43 posted on 09/14/2009 9:50:07 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Hodar
You're right. There is no upside to Cervical Cancer. Right now, the biggest threat to women in regards to Cervical Cancer is Government run healthcare. I worked in the NHS in Britain in the 80’s. I do Cervical Cancer screening. In Britain the NHS only covers women aged 25-49 every 3 years for a pap smear. Between 49 and 65 every 5 years. After age 65 you are only covered for a pap smear if you have symptoms. I will tell you now, if you are 65 or over and have symptoms......it's very likely way too late. The only reason women over 65 survive Gyn cancers is because we catch them before the woman has symptoms. If you want to help fight Cervical Cancer, fight the public option in Obama’s healthcare plan. Government run healthcare denies care all the time. I hope our citizenry wakes up before we have no more healthcare choices outside of the Government.
44 posted on 09/14/2009 9:50:37 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: nickcarraway

>> Immigration law mandates that Simone get the vaccine to protect against the sexually transmitted ...

This is such BS. I can understand screening for existing disease, but to mandate vaccinations that are not required for other citizens is absurd.


45 posted on 09/14/2009 9:50:48 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: TADSLOS

He sure did. I bet THAT doesn’t come up in his re-election bid.

I’ll probably vote for Gov. Goodhair. But it won’t be because of his Gardasil position.


46 posted on 09/14/2009 9:51:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: maryz
Googling "gardasil" and "paralysis" yields 241,000 hits.


Not to be contrary, but I only got 38,700 hits when I tried...I wonder if there is a scrub effort in place? It would not surprise me.

I do not trust Gardasil, and my wife and I are strongly concerned about the effort to force it on our two daugthers.
47 posted on 09/14/2009 9:52:49 AM PDT by Horkster
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To: LearsFool
Are you really willing to sacrifice liberty for that gain, my FRiend?

I don't see immunization as impacting liberty, anymore than requiring insurance to drive, seatbelts installed on cars, hospitals with emergency rooms, or guardrails on bridges.

These are all put in place to save lives, freedom doesn't mean a whole lot to you when you are dead. A shot in the arm does not impact your freedom of speech, the pursuit of happiness nor any other right. It is a biological control on preventing a plague from wreaking havoc on us. If not for the polio vaccine how many people would be dead today?

At the height of the polio epidemic in 1952, nearly 60,000 cases with more than 3,000 deaths were reported in the United States alone.
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I like modern science, I'm just an engineer (not a medical expert); but to me it seems silly to reject a vaccine by saying it infringes on your rights. If you don't get a flu shot, and you get sick - too bad. That is your decision and you get to suffer for it. I think you would agree that your decision not to get a flu shot is your choice, and getting sick as a result of it is an inconvenience you are willing to risk.

But consider, if you get sick, how many other people do you infect? How did your exercise of your rights impact others around you? If I get a shot, I have a 80-90% immunity. If I work in close proximity to you, I will test my immunity against your contageous condition. But, if we both had our shots - the odds of me getting sick from you drops dramatically (20% chance you got sick x 20% chance of me catching it from you yields only a 4% odds of getting sick). Now, if the Swine Flu were absolutely horrible, I'd say let's make it a legal requirement to get the shot, just like Polio. The fact is that the Swine Flu is nasty, but not as bad as the press would make it out to be. But the fact remains, vaccines are not an imposition of tyranny on everyone, they are there for the protection of society as a whole.

48 posted on 09/14/2009 9:55:27 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Find out who added the Gardasil amendment to the immigration bill, or enacted the federal regulation requiring it, and I suspect one will be able to connect the dots back to big-time lobbyists.


49 posted on 09/14/2009 10:01:04 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hodar
I don't see immunization as impacting liberty, anymore than requiring insurance to drive, seatbelts installed on cars, hospitals with emergency rooms, or guardrails on bridges.

New Hampshire does not require insurance to drive and has one of the lowest auto insurance rate structures in the country.

New Hampshire does not criminalize the refusal of adults to use seat belts, and has one of the lowest fatality rates per vehicle mile.

Emergency rooms and guard rails have nothing to do with individual liberty.

50 posted on 09/14/2009 10:05:12 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hodar

I am in favoring of ignoring unconstitutional laws at every opportunity;nor do I think the Constitution requires a group of senile,robed lawyers to interpret.The Second Amendment is quite clear,for instance.But those who wish to impose their restrictions upon free people always insist the words of the Constitution need interpretation by their expert.


51 posted on 09/14/2009 10:12:07 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: nickcarraway

This was a payback to the makers of Gardasil. To have at least a captive market for it. It’s expensive and there are three shots over a period of time. Plus there have been thousands of reported VAERS reactions from those who have taken it.


52 posted on 09/14/2009 10:12:44 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Hodar
How did your exercise of your rights impact others around you?

You're right: Liberty is not the only concern. But it is the first concern, and must not be ignored. If liberty is to be preserved, the case for abridging it must be overwhelming. And profits for Merck don't make such a case.

Yes, I believe that's all this is about - money. As was posted earlier, Gov. Perry tried to force this vaccine on young Texan girls, and got slapped down for it. It seems Americans by and large don't want this forced on their daughters.

"But hold on a sec, we can force it on immigrants, can't we? That'll work! And maybe we'll get some good results from these tests, and slowly get the public accustomed to the vaccine, and then later mandate it for everybody."

I'm not opposed to mandating vaccinations. I'm not opposed to every abridgment of liberty. In fact, I took a lot of heat on this thread for advocating the abridgment of liberty in dire circumstances.

But these are not dire circumstance we're talking about, are they? There's no plague of venereal diseases decimating our population, is there? If so, we'd better come up with something just a bit more impressive than one vaccine, for one disease, and applicable only to immigrant girls who want to become citizens - wouldn't you say?
53 posted on 09/14/2009 10:14:50 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Hodar
So, we are either a country of laws, or we are not. Wanna be a citizen?

We're not a country of laws, we're a country of influence. It's all in who you're knowin and who you're blowin.

54 posted on 09/14/2009 10:26:10 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: mvpel
New Hampshire does not require insurance to drive and has one of the lowest auto insurance rate structures in the country.
New Hampshire does not criminalize the refusal of adults to use seat belts, and has one of the lowest fatality rates per vehicle mile.

Impressive .... do you have a lot of illegals there? In Texas, the illegals would steal a car, total your car and head back across the border - leaving you stuck with a totalled car and increasing insurance rates.

I like the seatbelt laws too, no need for a Nanny state - I wonder how long NH can keep up the good work?

But, as you point out, NH has laws - you either enforce the laws, or you repeal laws. You do not selectively enforce only the laws you like.

55 posted on 09/14/2009 10:29:15 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

THe possiblility of death by cervical cancer at some date uncertain is better than dying immediately and unnecessarily by vaccination shock.


56 posted on 09/14/2009 10:32:41 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Hodar
You seem to think that if you don't like a law, you can ignore the law. Then you will scream about illegal aliens and Obama and his birth certificate.

As Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine said, an unjust law is not a law. Protecting our borders is just law. Requiring proof that one is a natural-born citizen to serve as President is just law. Paying off political contributors by requiring that citizens or residents use their product is not just law. Nor (for another example) is abortion on demand. There is no divorcing law from morality; law has no purpose other than to serve morality.

Unjust laws are inconsistent with law itself, and render a legal system self-contradictory. Not only are people who defy unjust laws not doing wrong, they are improving the system by targeting its faulty parts for elimination.

Here is Aquinas:

"Laws are unjust in two ways: First, they may be such because they oppose human good. . . This can occur because of their end, when a ruler imposes burdens with an eye, not to the common good, but to his own enrichment or glory; because of their author, when someone imposes laws beyond the scope of his authority; or because of their form, when burdens are inequitably distributed, even if they are ordered to the common good. Such decrees are not so much laws as acts of violence, because, as Augustine says, 'An unjust law does not seem to be a law at all.' Such laws do not bind the conscience, except perhaps to avoid scandal or disturbance. . .

"[L]aws may be unjust because they are opposed to the divine good, as when the laws of tyrants lead men to idolatry or to something else contrary to divine law. Such laws must never be observed, because 'one must obey God rather than men.' (Acts 5:29)." (Summa 96:6)

57 posted on 09/14/2009 10:42:47 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: LearsFool
If so, we'd better come up with something just a bit more impressive than one vaccine, for one disease, and applicable only to immigrant girls who want to become citizens - wouldn't you say?

But the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. My daughters are all married, and by virtue of our faith, and their mother's influence were not promiscous. However, I would not have hesitated in pushing my daughters to get this shot. Preventing a bad thing seems like common sense, it's just a smart thing to do. Wear sunscreen, use your seatbelts, don't drink to excess, don't smoke, if you choose to be sexually promiscous - use condoms.

Some people 'parasite' off of other people; such as in vaccinations. If everone around me get a flu shot, then I'm protected by association - I can be lazy and enjoy the benefits of immunity by depending upon those around me to all get their shots. But, if you get enough 'parasites' (ahem, illegal aliens - Mexicans) you wind up with a disease that has not appeared in decades taking lives that should not have been affected.

Legal immigrants are required to have medical screening to ensure that they do not bring any contagious diseases into the United States. Illegal aliens are not screened and many are carrying horrific third world diseases that do not belong in the USA. Many of these diseases are highly contagious and will infect citizens that come in contact with an infected illegal alien. This has already happened in restaurants, schools, and police forces. Link

As we get more an more illegals, we are finding our population placed at risk by people who not only are in violation of our laws by the mere fact of being here, they have not had vaccinations that are mandated to protect US citizens.

A vaccine is not a garrantee that you won't get the illness; it is simply a game of statistics. You are 80-90% immune per infectous incident. The more infections around you, the higher the odds that SOME infection will make it past your immunity and get you sick. With a classroom full of un-vaccinated children, the vaccinated children will likely get sick too.

You have to start somewhere.

58 posted on 09/14/2009 10:45:56 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: ichabod1

Do you have any sources of HPV vaccination causing deaths?

Please bear in mind, some people are allergic to aspirin, some are allergic to milk and others are allergic to grain. About the only thing I know of that people are universally NOT allergic to is water.


59 posted on 09/14/2009 10:48:27 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Little Pig
Not every foreign-born woman, since my 31-yo wife didn’t need it to get her greencard.

I think the subject is Citizenship.

60 posted on 09/14/2009 10:50:25 AM PDT by sr4402
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