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VIDEO: A Tale of Two Uninsureds: President Changes Number from 46-47 Million to 'Over 30 Million'
Newsbusters ^ | September 10, 2009 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 09/10/2009 3:43:15 AM PDT by Rufus2007

What's 16-17 million uninsured among 300 million Americans?

Apparently not much to President Barack Obama, who slipped a not-so-subtle change to a statistic he had cited previously different during his Sept. 9 address to a joint session of Congress. The president pointed out there are "more than 30 million American citizens" who are having difficulty obtaining health insurance (emphasis added).

"We are the only advanced democracy on Earth - the only wealthy nation - that allows such hardships for millions of its people," Obama said. "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage. In just a two year period, one in every three Americans goes without health care coverage at some point. And every day, 14,000 Americans lose their coverage. In other words, it can happen to anyone."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhohealthcare; obamacare
Compare and contrast.
1 posted on 09/10/2009 3:43:16 AM PDT by Rufus2007
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To: Rufus2007

except for being somewhat less than 12 million, if even that.


2 posted on 09/10/2009 3:45:26 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Rufus2007

I believe they want to change the numbers at the congressional budget office to lower the projected cost.

If the number of uninsured is lowered, then the expected costs will be lower.

Its not a random change or a move toward accuracy. Nothing they do is random or accurate.


3 posted on 09/10/2009 3:46:18 AM PDT by Raycpa
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4 posted on 09/10/2009 3:46:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: xcamel

When I was in college we used to play a card game called Bulls*it. This speech reminded me of that game.


5 posted on 09/10/2009 3:54:05 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Rufus2007

I am surprised 0bama didn’t claim that the number dropped to 30 million because the 16-17 million other people died from lack of health care.


6 posted on 09/10/2009 3:54:41 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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So what he is saying is that 14,000 Americans are losing their jobs, thus their insurance, every day? Wow he sure turned the recovery around didn’t he!


7 posted on 09/10/2009 4:00:15 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Rufus2007
We are the only advanced democracy on Earth - the only wealthy nation - that allows such hardships for millions of its people

That says it all right there. What else is so clear in its dishonesty and distortion. We are not a democracy first, but even if you let that become a linguistic slip, the second part is more telling.

Allow. As if the government was tasked with anything other than a few internecine roles to keep the peace and to defend our sovereignty.

Allow. A free people are not "allowed" anything; the enslaved might be if their taskmasters are pleased. Free people make their own choices and leave little in the way of personal choices to the government, much less a democracy of thieves.

8 posted on 09/10/2009 4:01:38 AM PDT by doodad
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Should be the other way around.

16 to 17 million uninsured and 30+ million illegals.


9 posted on 09/10/2009 4:10:54 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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Compare and contrast.

population

UK 61 million

CA 34 million

US 304 million

US 40 or 30 or 17 ????? (un-insured, but NOT without medical available... heck, illegals get it!)

10 posted on 09/10/2009 4:18:34 AM PDT by This_far
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To: Rufus2007

the other 17 million “uninsured” are not citizens- slight distinction


11 posted on 09/10/2009 4:36:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Rufus2007

See. Obama just insured 17 M americans just by talking about it. He is the liberal messiah!


12 posted on 09/10/2009 4:43:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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See? Just the fact that Obama is talking about it has cut the number of uninsured by a third. </sarcasm>


13 posted on 09/10/2009 4:47:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Raycpa
He took the illegals out.

That way he could say later in the speech (which is why Wilson called him a liar) that they were not covering illegals. Guess they decided this is their new strategy in the bull session the other day with Pelosi and Reid.

Probably they are looking to legalize the illegals next year and that's why they took them out.

14 posted on 09/10/2009 6:49:05 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

It’s hard to say how the 30 million figure was reached.
Careful analysis of this annual Census survey has shown that of the people counted as uninsured:
1. Between 8.7-20.2% already are covered by Medicaid, but fail to report that coverage, hence “appear” uninsured.
2. An ADDITIONAL 7.8-10.9% are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but simply haven’t bothered to apply for benefits. If these individuals ever got sick, their bills would be retroactively covered by public insurance.
3. 19.1%-22.3% are non-citizens, of which about half are “illegals” (or “undocumented” if you prefer to be politically correct about it)
4. 21.1-23.1% have incomes above 300% of poverty.

Thus, if groups 1 & 2 don’t need help (16.5-31.1%) and half of group 3 don’t deserve help (or at least Obama claims not to be trying to help them through health reform), that’s grounds for reducing the widely reported 46 million figure by anywhere from 26.0% to 42.3%. Obama reduced it by 34.8%. Maybe he just split the difference, being the terrific political consensus-builder that he is...

Of course, that ignores group #4. Since all the plans in front of Congress include no subsidies for those with incomes at 400% or more of poverty, a sizable chunk of group #4 also doesn’t deserve help. In short, even the reduced number used by Obama considerably exaggerates the size of the problem he is addressing.


15 posted on 09/10/2009 1:21:39 PM PDT by DrC
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