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'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush
McClatchy ^ | 9-8-09 | Jonathan S. Landay

Posted on 09/09/2009 5:34:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf

GANJGAL, Afghanistan — We walked into a trap, a killing zone of relentless gunfire and rocket barrages from Afghan insurgents hidden in the mountainsides and in a fortress-like village where women and children were replenishing their ammunition.

"We will do to you what we did to the Russians," the insurgent's leader boasted over the radio, referring to the failure of Soviet troops to capture Ganjgal during the 1979-89 Soviet occupation.

Dashing from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that air cover would be five minutes away.

U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; fallen; marines; nss; obama; oef; quagmire
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To: Travis McGee; All
“Doncha just love restrictive ROE? Dejavu, “how to lose a war.””

Also a good thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2335142/posts

101 posted on 09/09/2009 8:16:42 AM PDT by 444Flyer (May God Bless and protect our boots on the ground!)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Good for you! I talked to his office a minute ago. These democrats that act like they are big supporters of our military and then go along with this crap from Obama make me sick to my stomach. Not only did Obama change the Rules Of Engagement..his minions leaked the new rules to the press and it was splashed all over the news for the terrorists to read! We are now seeing the results!

More troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Obama took office than have been killed since the war began!


102 posted on 09/09/2009 8:18:03 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: mbynack

I always liked the SEAL’s warfare ways.

Respond with overwhelming and unceasing force.


103 posted on 09/09/2009 8:42:06 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: AngryJawa
"This story absolutely must get the legs it deserves in order to pressure the fools in charge to put the ROEs back where they belong before we end up with an entire platoon or company of US men lying dead in the dirt."

The only way that will happen is to explain what is happening to the American people. Those of us who are not up on Military information & have not heard about the new rules of engagement need to be informed ASAP.

Talking to your Congressman is not as effective as talking to Conservative radio & blogs. Hit Glenn Beck & Fox relentlessly until they report on it. Send this information to all the Tea Party Groups.

We need to fight for our troops while they are dying for us!!!

Their Commander In Chief is a disgrace & so are their Commanders in the field who are allowing this travesty to go on!!

104 posted on 09/09/2009 9:11:36 AM PDT by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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To: Ro_Thunder
I always liked the SEAL’s warfare ways. Respond with overwhelming and unceasing force.

That's when the US is at it's best, when we can take advantage of our technology. The liberals like to make war "fair" by handicapping the military with rules of engagement. In a war, if the enemy is hiding in a house and shooting at us, we should call in an air strike on the house. Instead, the liberals have troops going in and getting killed.

105 posted on 09/09/2009 9:39:01 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack

Maybe if a Republican offered to hide in every Afghan village, the liberals would have no problems with it being leveled by force.


106 posted on 09/09/2009 10:02:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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GOD, please protect our military men and women in harms way, and keep them safe.....especially since we have a CinC that has abdicated that responsibility. - Amen.


107 posted on 09/09/2009 10:06:59 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Citizens should not fear their government. Government should fear its citizens. - V)
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To: silverleaf
Maybe if a Republican offered to hide in every Afghan village, the liberals would have no problems with it being leveled by force.

I think you're on the right track. Maybe we can convince them that the inhabitants are contributing to global warming.

108 posted on 09/09/2009 10:18:33 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: penelopesire

Senator’s Dorgan, Levin, etc. etc. etc. all talked big about supporting the troops when Bush was President. They never failed to point out Bush “failures” of the time and now we have EPIC FAIL created by a doofus that never served a day in the military in his life - Obama - ordering young men to risk their lives in a war for the freedom of others that he, Obama, has no intentions of winning. THAT is the most immoral act a President and Commander in Chief can commit.


109 posted on 09/09/2009 1:23:18 PM PDT by HD1200
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To: Vendome

Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve looked and searched myself for reaction and I have this:

I believe you to be pointing out that nobody, ever, has played the race card the way this bozo has.

If I am incorrect, I apologize for misinterpreting what I took for your very subtle manner. ;o)


110 posted on 09/09/2009 1:24:41 PM PDT by Froufrou (quality)
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To: Froufrou

I can’t remember why I posted “Barack-O-Color” it just sounded funny and appropriate.

Major speeches in the last month? This a-hole needs his own channel.

He is on TV damn near every day and sometimes twice as day.

He started his own sitcom back when he invented the “Office of the President Elect”.

Oh! And good news. He is having another Telethon tonight!

Yeahhhh!

Yeah, because now everything is in “Barack-O-Color”


111 posted on 09/09/2009 2:17:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

“He started his own sitcom back when he invented the “Office of the President Elect”.”

You’re a hoot! Rotflmao! But, lordy, I do wish you were wrong!


112 posted on 09/09/2009 2:24:37 PM PDT by Froufrou (quality)
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To: Froufrou
that's the thing, I am not. One of the things I liked about Bush/Cheney is we never saw them or heard from them.

Many of my friends started trying to undermine me and wondered aloud why they didn't have more news conferences.

My reply “I am glad to finally have an adult in the White House and don't care if I ever hear from them”

“I want them to work not become some caricature which “Barack-O-Color” has become.

113 posted on 09/09/2009 3:01:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: HD1200

Well put. I agree.


114 posted on 09/09/2009 3:21:45 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: tcrlaf

Now who is the real war criminal?

Obama is .. the sob, lets our people die for being politically correct.


115 posted on 09/09/2009 3:34:26 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: tcrlaf

Gads! Prayers for all our troops, and now four more dead Marines, their brothers, sisters in arms, their families, their friends, our cluster^**ed ROE’s and zero to get a danged clue.


116 posted on 09/09/2009 4:39:16 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: Vendome

Except for health things. The media has some bizarre fixation about making sure we have to hear about every little burp and fart. Sheesh.


117 posted on 09/10/2009 6:12:01 AM PDT by Froufrou (quality)
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To: Paratrooper

Good points.


118 posted on 09/10/2009 10:26:36 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama Hijacks 9/11: http://www.serve.gov/assets/documents/09_0828_potus.pdf)
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