FairTax Grassroots to "Storm the Hill" September 11th

Americans For Fair Taxation ^ | September 04, 2009

[Man50D]

The FairTax grassroots campaign will go to Washington, D.C. on September 11th with a peaceful "Storm the Hill" morning protest at the IRS and in afternoon visits to Congressional offices.

Planned entirely by state and local leaders and promoted by new social network web site, FairTax Nation, the rally and Capitol Hill visits will make clear to Washington insiders and the national media that FairTax citizen support ranges from the young to the old and from conservative to liberal. Citizens from across the nation who support enactment of now pending FairTax legislation will exercise their rights as citizens to insist on the end to the destructive income tax system and the adoption of the FairTax.

The 9-11 FairTax rally at the IRS will feature Obama field organizer and FairTax supporter, Ms. Jesse Wexler as well as Jonathan Krohn, the nationally known 14 year-old conservative phenom, columnist and commentator, speaking up for the FairTax. Also on hand will be Seth Riggio, nationally recognized blogger and college-age social activist. FairTax leaders including Marilyn Rickert, new FairTax.org board member and mid-west director and Jim Tomasik, FairTax activist and "FairTax Nation" web editor will be on hand as well as many other state and local leaders.

Plans call for FairTax supporters to meet first at the Pentagon Memorial at 9 am on the 11th. FairTaxers will then travel together on the Metro system to the "Federal Triangle" stop. From there it is a short walk to the IRS building where a peaceful demonstration will begin at 10:30 to 11:00 am. At 11:45 all participants will head to Congressional offices together to "petition our government for a redress of grievances".

Among others, Georgia FairTax volunteer, Michael Warlick is encouraging a bus from northern Georgia. The round trip bus cost is $125. Friday night motel (Courtyard by Marriot in Alexandria, VA is $100.24 including tax; Saturday night at LaQuinta in Durham, NC is $74, including tax & continental breakfast.) Add in meals + fare to ride the DC metro, which varies depending on time of day & distance. Mike says he is encouraging people to share rooms and will try to match you with someone. Call him at (404) 625-7993. The bus is leaving from a Park & Ride in Oakwood, GA, just south of Gainesville. More details about the trip and "Storming the Hill" can be found at http://www.fairtaxnation.com/.

FairTaxers plan to make clear to targeted Congressional offices and the national media that the income tax system has become corrupted, that the tax code hurts the American economy and individual taxpayers and that a far better way to collect national taxes, the FairTax, is supported by determined hometown advocates including Republicans, Independents, Libertarians and Democrats.

[Man50D]

[Man50D]

Fair Tax ping!

[RC2]

Only if it is held to certain limits. These nuts would probably put it at 60%.

[Man50D]

Only if it is held to certain limits. These nuts would probably put it at 60%.

If Congress is to raise the rate too high then the people will respond with fewer purchases. Fewer purchases will result in less tax collected by Congress. Congress can only maximize it's collection of a consumption tax by keeping the rate within a reasonable boundary. It provides the people with a check and balance against Congress. This concept was first brought forth by founding father and first Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton in his Federalist Paper #21. To quote:

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption, that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.

[RC2]

Is it not just another way of controlling what and how much people buy? Granted, if the tax was to high, I wouldn’t purchase the product. Could this not be their intent.....so to speak?

[jessduntno]

If I wanted a fair tax, I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income...which would be fair. It’s the Goodfellas Tax...it’s called “F you, pay me” and no one gets out of it. 15% of my pie will still be twice as much as 15% of YOUR pie if you only make half what I do, but as a percentage it is identical. You won’t be able to lord anything over me when you talk about how much you contribute and I can’t whine...as a bonus, I can be proud of my contribution being the same as any man or woman.

Why can’t we get rid of the notion of a progressive tax being FAIR and all get into the same boat? If we all pay the same amount, we all get the same services, we are all pulling our weight and we can lay aside some of the class division that the left continues to promote. You pay the same percentage of your income as I do, i am not going to complain...and my hard work and wealth is GOOD for you, not something that can be exploited by the race and class pimps...

[HighlyOpinionated]

Cool, I just might join them.

I’ve decided to mail “pink slips” to the various Congress people I send emails to. But I’ll be there the 12th for the TEA Party and march down Pennsylvania Avenue.

[HighlyOpinionated]

If I wanted a fair tax, I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income...which would be fair.

Why pay Income Tax at all? After all, IF, as was the original intent of the Founding Fathers, Congresspeople served without pay, then the Corporate Tax that's in the Constitution would be quite enough to pay for our Military and their needs.

WHY do we pay Congress people? They should consider SERVING as an HONOR. No pay, no perks. No health care, no Federal Retirement.

And the Senate should be chosen by their State Legislatures so that there is no need to be bribed with money needed for a re-election.

NO FEDERAL TAX is a FAIR TAX.

[Man50D]

Is it not just another way of controlling what and how much people buy?

Any tax system is inherently controlling to some extent. The question is would you prefer a system that takes your hard earned money before you see your paycheck preventing you from having any control or a system that gives you all your money in the paycheck (less state taxes) thereby giving you the power to choose when and how often you are taxed?

I wouldn’t purchase the product. Could this not be their intent.....so to speak?

Then they don't get the tax money they need to run the government and the politicians would only appear more incompetent to their constituents. The politicians would be cutting their own thraots.

[Man50D]

If I wanted a fair tax, I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income

Now you're talking about a flat tax on income. It has been tried and has become a disaster. It's our current tax code. People paid a 1% tax on the first $20,000 and 7% on income exceeding $500,000 when the 16th Amendment was enacted in 1913. So few people earned in excess of $500,000 (Less than 1%) when the 16th Amendment was enacted in 1913 that it was essentially a flat tax on income. Another flat tax on income will morph back into the multi tiered oppressive system we have currently only faster thanks to the thousands of lobbyists existing today that didn't exist in 1913. A flat tax on income also maintains the IRS.

Another fundamental point to consider is that a heavy progressive tax on income is one of the planks in Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. Marx espoused it because he understood increasing the tax burden on productivity will overtime discourage people from being productive and will increase their dependence on the state and consequently creating the strong centralized form of government.

[jessduntno]

“Why pay Income Tax at all?”

Common defense and fair representation in trade and commerce and the structure required to represent the people in a representative republic, as intended, requires funds. America has changed sufficiently to warrant pay for term limited citizen representatives who then GO HOME.

As to the idea of government collecting form corporations only, personally, I would prefer to end Corporate taxes and fund the government by individuals only. That would kick the snot out of special interest groups, lobbyists and bribery, rid us of a lot of problems.

[jessduntno]

“Now you’re talking about a flat tax on income. It has been tried and has become a disaster. It’s our current tax code.”

WRONG...either you dodn’t understand what I wrote (which, like a flat tax is simple and straightforward) or you are not serious...we have a progressive tax code that is full of loopholes. It is NOTHING like a flat tax, it the OPPOSITE of a flat tax. As for your last point, “Another fundamental point to consider is that a heavy progressive tax on income is one of the planks in Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto...” that is what we currently have.

A flat tax on income maintains the IRS, which is already in place, will only collect a simple tax. A sales tax would cost billions to administer and still require some regulation to avoid what would be a potential GOLDMINE of greed and corruption. Plus, if I were a small business owner, I would not want to be the taxman, too. This tax is wrong headed in soo many ways...

If you deo not understand that we NOW have a graduated income tax, please don’t bother to respond.

[wastedyears]

This should have been in conjunction with everything else. I couldn’t imagine the look on Zer0’s face through binoculars at the sea of angry people.

[Jacquerie]

Yours is a voice of sanity in an asylum.

Ignore the clowns who just don’t know.

[Man50D]

WRONG...either you dodn’t understand what I wrote (which, like a flat tax is simple and straightforward) or you are not serious...

You're comment in post #6: "I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income...which would be fair. It’s the Goodfellas Tax...it’s called “F you, pay me” and no one gets out of it. 15% of my pie will still be twice as much as 15% of YOUR pie if you only make half what I do, but as a percentage it is identical."

Your are citing one rate in this statement. That is a flat tax on income.

[Biggirl]

Having a fair tax would rid us of the IRS.

[jessduntno]

Me: "I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income...which would be fair. It’s the Goodfellas Tax...it’s called “F you, pay me” and no one gets out of it. 15% of my pie will still be twice as much as 15% of YOUR pie if you only make half what I do, but as a percentage it is identical."

You: “Now you’re talking about a flat tax on income. It has been tried and has become a disaster. It’s our current tax code.”

Me NOW:

You are dead wromg. We have no such thing currently. Are you on drugs?

[Man50D]

You are dead wromg. We have no such thing currently. Are you on drugs?

I suggest you re-read my comment. I didn't state we have a flat tax on income now. In the very comment you cite, the second sentence states starting with past tense "It has been tried and has become a disaster". You obviously do not know the history of the income tax code.

People paid a 1% tax on the first $20,000 and 7% on income exceeding $500,000 when the 16th Amendment was enacted in 1913. So few people earned in excess of $500,000 (Less than 1%) that it was essentially a flat tax on income. Another flat tax on income will morph back into the multi tiered oppressive system we have currently only faster thanks to the thousands of lobbyists existing today that didn't exist in 1913.

Another fundamental point to consider is that a heavy progressive tax on income is one of the planks in Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. Marx espoused it because he understood increasing the tax burden on productivity will overtime discourage people from being productive and will increase their dependence on the state, consequently creating the strong centralized form of government.

[jessduntno]

You: “Now you’re talking about a flat tax on income. It has been tried and has become a disaster. It’s our current tax code.”

[foxfield]

If I wanted a fair tax, I would ask everyone to pony up the same amount of money as a percentage of gross income...which would be fair.

Not true. You are not considering the cost of producing that income, i.e., “expenses” in the example below.

	Person A	Person B
Gross income	$100,000	$100,000
Expenses	90,000	40,000
Net before tax	10,000	60,000
Tax (10% of gross)	10,000	10,000
Net after tax	$0	$50000

Now, what is fair about that?