Posted on 09/04/2009 8:50:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Once again, a NASA space probe is supporting the 6,000-year biblical age of the solar system...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Well you are certainly not a bible-believing Christian. And you take the side of the evo-atheist crusade against Christians. What does that make you then?...An evo-atheist fellow traveler???
Of course you have faith that a tool you have will work tomorrow, elsewise, you wouldn't plan projects and pick up that tool and try to use it.
Every one has faith in things. It's a matter of what the faith is in.
If you believe that science can lead to the truth and is reliable and consistent, that is exhibiting faith, in spite of the fact that theories in science change by the day and what is accepted science today, won't be tomorrow, or next week, or next year.
The problem is that every respectable scientist whose research is referenced absolutely does not agree with how it is used by the YECs. The recent one with the fossilized mummy showed this perfectly, as the scientist was a devout Christian who took offense at the misuse of her work.
riiiiiiiight...
www.dissentfromdarwin.org
You mean every liberal secular humanist respectable scientist.
Christian scientists don’t have multiple hang-ups to sue people to keep God out of His own creation, let alone the scientific discussion.
LOL...it’s like they trip and fall to the ground, and then laugh at you because you’re firmly planted on your feet :o)
Excellent reply, Tpanther! Of course, we all know why the evo-atheists are increasingly trying to convince us to put our trust in their “biblical scholars”.
PS I don’t know if you realize it yet, but your replies keep getting better and better. Keep up the good work!!!
And you believe that to be true, do you not?
And doesn't it take faith to believe that the laws were the same in the past and will continue to be the same in the future?
If not, what hard evidence and observations can you point to to demonstrate that?
And isn't it true that it's an assumption that the laws we observe on earth are assumed to be the same everywhere so that we can count on them working well enough to get that probe to other planets?
If not, what hard evidence and observations can you point to to demonstrate that? Has anyone been there to demonstrate that as well?
And wouldn't you be demonstrating faith in the integrity and truthfulness of the person who did go there and observe it? That they were accurate and correctly observed and reported the data?
You just can't get away from faith. Faith is not simply a religious word that has only one meaning. It is not a term owned b religion and no one else. It applies to all areas of life and is exercised by everybody.
It's not the faith itself that is unique to and in religion, but the object of the faith that makes the difference.
The main difference is that those who are religious honestly and openly acknowledge their faith; they don't deny in themselves what everyone practices every day.
“No faith involved. The theory either fits the observed facts or it does not.” [excerpt]So in other words, what you observe to be a fact may indeed not be.
“Reality is what I see and measure.” [excerpt]How do you know that you are seeing and measuring accurately?
“Faith is not required to send a probe to other planets with precision navigation.” [excerpt]How do you know that the laws of physics won't change half way through the flight?
“Einstein's physics allow us to determine the age of the universe.” [excerpt]Only if you use any number of untestable philosophical assumptions as a basis.
“Admittedly, it changes as new data comes in from further observations, but it is always in the range of greater than 10 billion years, not 6000. Again, no faith required.” [excerpt]Okay, man up and ascertain the age of the universe without using any untestable philosophical assumptions as a basis.
“The speed of light is constant …” [excerpt]Really?
“If this light has not been traveling for that time to reach us, then you and your fellow idiots need to come up with a cogenent new physics theory (with the math) that explains ALL the observed facts.” [excerpt]You call me an idiot and demand that I do what you cannot?
“It needs to explain everything from chemical reactions to nuclear reactors to celestial navigation to ballistics to biochemistry.” [excerpt]I'm still waiting for people of the Evolutionary mindset to provide demonstrably correct explanations for things like the Pioneer anomaly, the ultimate origin of life, and the origin of intelligence and information.
Excellent post.
Five stars.
These evos are so blinded by their prejudices that they can’t even see that they do the very things they condemn in us.
They think that they have *facts* to back them up, but all they have is their interpretation of the data; which is philosophical in nature.
The assumption that what they see are *facts* is wholly based on that philosophical assumption. They’re assuming the conclusion and demonstrating faith in believing that they are right.
Ditto that!
“As well- we MUST ignore God’s word tellign us that there was no spirit death BEFORE the fall, because IF man evolved over billions of years, there most certainly would have had to be spirit death before the fall- so I guess large chunks of God’s word that don’t fit the macroevolutionary timeframe therefore must be ignored, dismissed, and thrown out- As Well, we’re told God ‘looked around’ for a mate for Adam, and couldn’t find a suitable one of the same kind, and had to create one because it was not good that man should be alone- but here again, apparently we must iognore God’s word in order to beleive a mate materialized through billions of years of macroevolution.
One has to wonder just how those who beleive in macroevolution can claim to ‘beleive the bible’ when they throw so much of it out- one has to wonder by what criteria they pick and choose which passages to beleive and which to ignore”
Yup....good observations cottshop and moreover, it’s been pointed out time and again that the evos argue that they themselves are nothing mroe than great apes.
Chrissy Fit Matthews immediately comes to mind and after all he makes such a stunning argument: he flings his poo in the form of spittle, but apparently he really consciously and subconsciously buys it and more importantly... sells it, all out!
But liberals are always left with the obvious scientific questions that are obvious to everyone but themselves: the issue of having a soul.
So many evos claim to believe in God, or even claim to be Christians, (and for many if not most of them I beliueve they’re sincere) but you’ve hit on something I’ve been saying myself...their soulless great ape issues aren’t exactly going away for them so easily, eh?
And watch a liberal twist in the wind when they whine about science and “make believe/fairy tales” and it’s pointed out that science has inserted itself on that very issue they demand be kept sterilized from their liberal sensibilities:
the scientific study of prayer!
It’s most disgusting when non-believers try to manipulate Christian’s behavior by hanging over someone’s head the threat that their behavior is keeping unbelievers from salvation.
The clear meaning that someone is a bad Christian because they won’t change their behavior that results in others rejecting Christ and what kind of Christian are the that they don’t care if their behavior results in the loss of someone’s salvation, is so pathetically obvious that it’s ridiculous.
Jesus did nothing wrong and He was accused of all kinds of stuff by the Pharisees and was eventually killed for it.
A Christian doesn’t have to do anything wrong at all to earn slander and misrepresentations from unbelievers.
But these blatant attempts to manipulate behavior are , well, pretty childish themselves.
The other thing is, the only reason that people have any negative views of creationists and Christians as *anti-science* is because of the liberals portraying them that way. If the liberal, evo/atheist crowd didn’t constantly harp on how Christians and creationists are *anti-science*, *anti-intellectual*, talibanesque, Luddites, wanting to establish a theocracy and send the world back into the Dark Ages, there wouldn’t be any issues with *turning people away from Christ*.
The evos and atheists on this forum and others I’ve read, are constantly portraying Christians in a bad light and then have the nerve to accuse the Christians and creationists of doing it to themselves.
Sorry, not buying that one. WE aren’t the ones painting ourselves in that light, the evos are.
It’s the misrepresentations promoted by the atheists and Christian haters that do that damage.
bump, worth the liberal lunatics re-reading over and over until they get it.
Its nice of you to call people hypocrite's based on your opinion, and vipers, you must be one of Gods Prophets to know intimately the mind of others so you feel so righteous in doing that, just because the Savior did it.....Or just plain psychic...
There is a difference between being righteous and self-righteous...Which are you Cott?
LOL Nice to hear from you humblegunner, its been weeks...GG
I believe you, as if that truly matters. However, my belief is heartfelt.
[[Its nice of you to call people hypocrite’s based on your opinion, and vipers, you must be one of Gods Prophets to know intimately the mind of others so you feel so righteous in doing that, just because the Savior did it.....]]
Oh this is precious- blind as a bat ye are I see- I don’t profess to ‘know their minds’ I profess to know what they REVEAL abotu their minds- but nice attempt at villifying me blind one.
[[There is a difference between being righteous and self-righteous...Which are you Cott?]]
The opposite of you apaprently Granny- you seem to beleive peopel are only righteous IF they don’t judge others
[[I don’t know who will or will not be invited into the kingdom, but neither does any human being]]
FALSE Teachers iwll NOT be invited in and guess what Granny- Yep- the bible tells us exactly how to know who false teachers are- and we are also given wisdom to know God’s own- by their fruit and all that- it’s their ACTIONS Granny that reveal what’s i ntheir hearts- and when their actiosn are consistently rotton in deeds- you can have a darn good idea who is and who is NOT of God- doesn’ty take a prophet Granny to determine this- just common sense and guidance from God’s word- So yeah- whatever- you just keep inferring otherwise- whatever
[[so you feel so righteous in doing that, just because the Savior did it.....]]
Lol- this isn’t about my ‘feeling’ one way or hte other Granny- it’s about judging who is and who isn’t living in TRUTH- again- it’s not that hard to determin-
[[We should respect all for many have entertained angels unaware that they have...]]
Hmmm- you must read a different bible than the one I do- because in mine, we’re told to AVOID those who preach false doctrine- NOT to ‘respect them ‘ because they suppsoedly, accordign to you ‘might be entertaining angels unawares’ (Not sure why angels woudl be coming here on FR spoutign off some of hte blatant lies that are put forth- didn’t realize God ordained angels to lie - but hten again, I apparently aren’t privvy to your version of God’s word- perhaps you can enlighten us all as to where God sends angels to lie?
You seem to be the Elmer Gantry type of Christian. He like to yell, “The Bible says” and that ended all discussion because who could possibly argue with him. Good movie, have you seen it? Do you understand it? The bible can say anything one wants it to say and even the devil quotes scripture, that doesn’t make him a Christian in spirit. Jesus used scripture to refute him, not name calling and self righteousness.
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