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Obama Panders to Islam (Again)
The Washington Times ^ | September 4, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 09/03/2009 7:54:44 PM PDT by Abakumov

Muslims are what make America great, if President Obama is to be believed. At a White House interfaith dinner honoring Ramadan on Tuesday, he said that "the contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country." We would be intrigued to see that long list and to learn more about how Muslims have been part of the woof and warp of America.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islam; jihadinamerica; obama; pandering; ramadan; stealthjihad

1 posted on 09/03/2009 7:54:45 PM PDT by Abakumov
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To: Abakumov
the contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog

Obama's way is always the easy way out.

2 posted on 09/03/2009 7:56:08 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: SolidWood

Well then, let’s start “cataloging” their contributions.

1.) Ahhh, ...
2.) Ahhh, ...
3.) I got one: The WTC and Pentagon attacks on 9/11/01 that killed 3000 Americans!


3 posted on 09/03/2009 7:58:35 PM PDT by 43north (11.04.08: the day America committed voluntary suicide)
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To: Abakumov

He’s speaking about himself of course.


4 posted on 09/03/2009 7:59:28 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: Abakumov
"Muslims are what make America great..."

In the same way, perhaps, as the poison in it is what makes absinthe great?

Or would it be more accurate to say that "America is so great, that in spite of its muzzies it is STILL great!"

5 posted on 09/03/2009 8:02:29 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Abakumov; LucyT; Fred Nerks
It was a Muslim who showed the Lewis & Clark expedition across America. It was a Muslim who invented the internet, the light bulb, and heavier than air flight.It was a Muslim, don't you know, who introduced Marilyn Monro to Joe DiMaggio!!!

History is about to be rewritten , count on it.

6 posted on 09/03/2009 8:03:10 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Abakumov
"...the contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog..."

...on the head of a pin!

7 posted on 09/03/2009 8:04:11 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Abakumov

“the contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country”

What have the MUZZIE SCUM ever done for this country, except KILL ALMOST 3,000 people on 11 Sept!


8 posted on 09/03/2009 8:13:39 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: 43north

“the contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog...”

lightbulbs? Nope
repeating rifle? Nope
automobile? Nope
telegraph? Nope
telephone? Nope
Alternating Current electrical generator? Nope
Air conditioning? Nope
repeating revolver? Nope
metallic centerfire cartridges? Nope
refrigerated trailer units? Nope

this cataloging accomplishments is tough work. needs more beer...


9 posted on 09/03/2009 8:14:04 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Abakumov
Real Muslim contributions to the US are almost non-existent. What needs to be cataloged is what Muslim ever in their entire history actually developed, and what they merely took from the many civilizations they overran.
10 posted on 09/03/2009 8:22:14 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Candor7

Barack Hussein Obama’s Happy Muslim Rainbow Tour
Taki’s Magazine 18 June 2009

By Srdja Trifkovic

“As the Holy [sic!] Koran tells us, Be conscious of God and speak always the truth,” President Obama told his audience at the beginning of his much heralded speech in Cairo last week.

It was a remarkable performance: not a single significant statement he made on the nature of Islam, or on America’s relationship with the Muslim world, or on the terrorist threat, complied with the quoted command of the prophet of Islam.

Obama’s two immediate predecessors have done a lot of respectful kowtowing, of course. Bill Clinton declared before the United Nations in September 1998, “There is no inherent clash between Islam and America.” Three years and several thousand American lives later, President Bush said, “there are millions of good Americans who practice the Muslim faith who love their country as much as I love the country.” Four years after 9-11 he continued insisting “the evil” unleashed on that day “is very different from the religion of Islam,” and its proponents “distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against Christians and Jews and Hindus.”

Obama brings a new quality to the continuum, however. He is developing the theme in Islam’s heartland. He is doing it in a manner likely to raise geopolitical expectations that cannot be fulfilled, and certain to cement even further the Muslim myth of blameless victimhood. It is the greatest favor any recruiter for the cause of global jihad could hope for.

Is Obama deluded or mendacious? In view of his middle name and family history, the question is more legitimate than it would have been with Clinton or Bush.

“How About Something Light? Here’s a Pamphlet on Muslim Intellectual Achievement”

“It was Islam—at places like Al-Azhar—that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment,” Obama asserted.
In historical fact, a number of medieval thinkers and scientists living under Islamic rule—by no means all of them Muslims either nominally or substantially—have played a useful role of transmitting Greek, Hindu, and other pre-Islamic fruits of knowledge to the West… but it was the Westerners who were able to make good use of them. Their assertions were subjected to rigorous testing by a recognized adversarial method of proof. They were thus able to proceed to “the invention of invention,” the institutionalization of research, resulting in the exponential growth of knowledge.

It is said that when the Caliph Umar conquered Alexandria he had its huge library burned, saying that if the writings contained within were in agreement with the Koran, then they were redundant and therefore useless; if they disagreed with the holy book of the Muslims, then they were blasphemous and must be burned. Modern Muslims delight in debunking this apocryphal story as anti-Islamic slander; yet it was not invented by Christians or Jews, but by Umar’s twelfth century successors to justify the end of critical inquiry, ijtihad.

After the brief period of flourishing—first in Baghdad and then in Spain—the “light of learning” was thus extinguished and a long decline started, almost a thousand years ago. It still continues. The Golden Age of Islam was “golden” only on its own terms; whatever flourished, it did in spite of Islam. It never encouraged science—disinterested inquiry—because the only knowledge it accepts is religious knowledge. By claiming that it is otherwise, Obama is not doing us—or them—any favors. The late Oriana Fallaci offered a resolute reply to “the fatal question” of what is behind the other culture: “We can search and search and find only Mohammed with his Koran and Averroe with his scholarly merits, his second-hand Commentaries on Aristotle”—all worthy but, on the whole, pretty second-rate stuff, really.

TOLERANCE!

Obama’s claim that “Islam has always been a part of America’s story… and since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States” is ridiculous, of course, but can be dismissed as relatively harmless rubbish. By contrast, his assertion that “throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality” is outrageous. It was merely compounded by his claim that “the Holy [sic!!] Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind.”

What Islam has demonstrated throughout history is that it contains a highly developed doctrine, theology, and legal system of mandatory violence against non-believers. It was the first political ideology to adopt terrorism as a systemic tool of policy, not as a temporary and unwelcome expedient. While it is possible to dispute the details of al-Qaeda’s theological justifications for terror, it is not possible to dispute that its arguments are based on standard Islamic sources, precedents, and methods of deduction. Those sources and principles are independent of any dubious or capricious interpretations of the Koran or the Hadith. The gap between the pillars of respected “mainstream” Islamic thought at Cairo’s Al-Azhar University and “the Evil” of 9-11 does not compare to the gap between Pope Benedict and Eric Rudolph, but merely to that between Vladimir Ilich Lenin and Pol Pot.

Obama’s view that colonialism and the Cold War had denied rights and opportunities to Muslims, prompting blowback from “violent extremists,” reflects the prevailing dogma of the Western elite class which sees the jihadist mindset as a pathology that can and should be treated by treating causes external to Islam itself. Predictable failure of this approach merely leads to ever more pathological self-scrutiny and morbid self-doubt.

Even Obama’s Koranic quote was a distortion of verse 5:32, which states that “if anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land [emphasis added]—it would be as if he slew the whole people.” Immediately thereafter follows a list of horrid torments for those who create “mischief,” including death by crucifixion.
That loophole embraces all those who resist the establishment of the Muslim rule or who disobey the sharia once it is established. Furthermore, Obama should be told—unless he knows well, but does not want us to know—that one single Koranic verse, “the Verse of the Sword” (9:5, which gives the infidel the choice between conversion or death) abrogates all 124 earlier verses, the ones that are quoted most regularly by Islam’s apologists to prove its tolerance and benevolence.

Great Muslim Inventors

There need not be contradiction between progress, development, and Islamic tradition, Obama said, but his assertion is belied by history. For some centuries now the Muslim world has failed to resolve the tension between the view of man’s destiny as the fulfillment of Islam and its triumph everywhere on the one hand, and the reality of the squalor and decadence on the other.

The problem has always been in the Islamic tradition. The spirit of critical inquiry essential to the growth of knowledge—without which there can be no “development”—is completely alien to it. When the Ottomans finally grasped some two centuries ago just how badly they were lagging behind Europe, their view of knowledge was that of a commodity that could be imported and used. Ever since that time Western engineers, military officers, and doctors trained their Muslim students, but the latter never managed to produce more than what was imparted to them.

“Contradiction” does exist, and it remains insoluble: the Muslim world wants the fruits of Western culture, but not the culture characterized by self-discipline, cohesion, ingenuity, and delayed gratification of free men willingly coming together for a purpose, from Greek hoplite squares to Italian guilds and American research labs. Getting the results but avoiding the undesirable trappings of democracy, of the spirit of critical inquiry and debate, is not possible. Saudi royal kleptocrats are no better at squaring the circle today than the Sultan and his advisors in the 1850s, when Turkish regiments acquired field guns and steamboats plied the Bosphorus, but there was no creative spark from within that could use foreign novelties to transform the society and jumpstart it into modernity.

The contrast with Japan in the period of Meiji Restoration is startling. The Japanese could make the transition because even without “democracy” it possessed a culture inured to discipline, approving of delayed gratification and self-restraint.

By contrast, as Bernard Lewis has pointed out, Islam—fatalistic, hypersensual, and still puzzled by its own failures—was struggling even to limp along. Always reliant on the plunder of its neighbors and institutionalized robbery of its non-Muslim subjects, Islam remains as unable to create wealth today as it was unable to do so a thousand years ago.

Attempts to copy Western methods of production will continue to fail for as long as they are not accompanied by the essential changes of social, political, and legal structure. Yet a society willing to accept such changes would no longer be Islamic…

Making Egypt Safe for The Brotherhood

It should be added that a dozen members of the Muslim Brotherhood were invited to hear Obama’s speech in Cairo, reportedly at the insistence of the U.S. State Department and with the President’s explicit approval. This was taken by the media as “a clear sign that the Obama administration is willing to publicly challenge Egypt’s commitment to parliamentary democracy.” Indeed, just as Jimmy Carter publicly challenged the commitment of the Shah thirty years ago, with the results that are still with us today.

It is unsurprising but nevertheless depressing that Obama, too, hopes to effect the democratic transformation of the Middle East. Even if Mubarak’s tentative “commitment to parliamentary democracy” is pushed further, the end result would be detrimental to U.S. security—in Egypt and everywhere else in the region. He would be swept from power and the Muslim Brotherhood would turn Egypt into an Islamic Republic, without ever thanking Obama for the favor.

Obama’s claims about Islam’s compatibility with democracy reflect his failure to grasp that this particular model of governance is not feasible outside of the framework of ideas that sustain it. These ideas, in the case of the West, are rooted back into the history of the polis of Greece, the Scriptures, the Enlightenment, the notion of liberty, of individual responsibility resulting from the existence of individual free will, of collective creativity embodied in the rendering of classical symphonies and the launching of space missions.

Ultimately, the reason traditionally Christian societies have been able to develop democratic institutions while traditionally Muslim ones have not is the Christian concept of governmental legitimacy, which accepts the possibility of two realms. Christ Himself recognized the realm of human government as legitimate when he said, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” In Islam there is no such distinction. It condemns as rebellion against Allah’s supremacy the submission to any other form of law other than Shari’a. It is noteworthy that the term “democracy” did not have an equivalent in any Muslim language until a century ago. Its fundamental principle, equality, is equally absent from the Muslim vocabulary.

As Middle East specialist Leon Hadar points out, Washington’s policy of cozying up to The Broothood and its ilk seems less “crazy if you take into consideration the current U.S. alliance with the pro-Iran Shiite fundamentalist parties in Iraq.” The Iraqi scenario entailed replacing an unpleasant secularist autocrat, Saddam Hussein, with Ayatollah Sistani’s people. In a similar vein, to bring down Bashar al-Assad—another secularist autocrat who presents no threat to America—Washington is cultivating some presumably “moderate elements” of the Muslim Brotherhood in Damascus.

The quest for a “moderate” variety of the Muslim Brotherhood is as absurd as the hunt for the unicorn. It is an organization based on a simple credo: Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. It was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna, an Egyptian school teacher nurtured on Wahhabism, as an Islamic revivalist movement that opposed the ascendancy of secular and Western ideas in the Middle East. An Ikhwani tried to assassinate Nasser in 1954 and four others succeeded in killing his successor Anwar al-Sadat in September 1981.

During the Cold War Washington routinely pandered to various Islamists as a means of weakening secular Arab nationalist regimes. In the mid 1950s the Americans even promoted the idea of forming an Islamic bloc, led by Saudi Arabia, to counter the Nasserist movement. So Obama’s hope that the Islamists be co-opted into the system has a long bipartisan history. President Carter secretly authorized funds to help create an Islamist network that would destabilize the Soviet Union. By 1989, the jihadists thought that they had destroyed the Soviet Union and that led them to believe that they could triumph everywhere. The genie was released, but few Westerners knew this before it reached New York, Washington, Madrid, and London.

* * * * *

It is not the jihadists who are “distorting” Islam; the apologists and appeasers of Obama’s ilk are. Islam, in Muhammad’s revelations, traditions and their codification, threatens the rest of us. It is the religion of war and intolerance. It breeds a peculiar mindset, the one against which Burke warned when he wrote that “intemperate minds never can be free; their passions forge their fetters.” Until the petrodollars support a comprehensive and explicit Koranic revisionism capable of growing popular roots, we should seek ways to defend ourselves by disengaging from the world of Islam, physically and figuratively, by learning to keep our distance from the affairs of the Muslim world and by keeping the Muslim world away from “the world of war” that it seeks to conquer or destroy. It is a fair-minded, morally sound, and eminently achievable strategy. Obama, Bush, and so many presidents before them have been leading America in the opposite direction.

Obama was right to assert in Cairo that relations “between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it is not.” He is not telling the truth about what Islam is and what it is not, however. He is quite unworthy of our trust regarding relations between America and the greatest threat the Western world faces in the century ahead of us. That colossal failure alone makes Barack Hussein Obama wholly unfit for the post he currently occupies.

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/06/serge-trifkovic-barack-hussein-obamas.html


11 posted on 09/03/2009 8:25:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: 43north

Weren’t they the ones who invented the manual camel dung scooper?


12 posted on 09/03/2009 8:31:18 PM PDT by balls
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To: BusterBear

Some believe the reason Obama is taking so much vacation now and not allowing photographs is because he is observing Ramadan and wants to keep it secret.


13 posted on 09/03/2009 9:23:13 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic "On this occasion, we celebrate the holy month of Ramadan and we also celebrate how much Muslims have enriched America and its culture in ways both large and small." Barack Hussein Obama. .
14 posted on 09/03/2009 9:36:51 PM PDT by patriot08
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Let us NEVER forget those nearly 3,000 innocent Americans who were murdered by the Islamists.
Don’t let Obama desecrate the memory of those Americans who were murdered by his fellow Muslims. Send this video to everyone you know.
Every American should view this video made by a New Yorker who lived through the attack:
http://attacked911.tripod.com/
This video has been viewed by untold millions and is now in the Smithsonian.
(Sadly, the New Yorker who made this video has since succumbed to lung damage sustained during the attack)
The video includes the planes crashing into the buildings and victims jumping. There are pictures of many of those who lost their lives, and president Bush’s aftermath speech set to the haunting background music, ‘Only Time’ by Enya. It is truly awesome.
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15 posted on 09/03/2009 9:37:41 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Abakumov

If he ain’t a muslim he’s a perfect dhimmi.


16 posted on 09/03/2009 10:04:10 PM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: Abakumov

Either 0bama is under educated, or he’s ignorant, or he believes a lie, or he’s living in some Mozlem la-la-land.

Or all four. It’s okay to lie to yourself if you believe whatever you say. I guess.

What a m0r0n in the White House.


17 posted on 09/03/2009 10:20:05 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (You Did Not Vet . . . You Will Regret . . . . We Vote You Out . . . Without a Doubt . . .)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; Lady Jag
Thanks Fred,
Srdja Trifkovic wrote a great article, because he commands knowledge about the sweep of Islamic History.

He sees a thread of continuity in its violent peregrinations of internal destruction saved only by defining external enemies who are ripe for plunder and subjugation.

And America is fast becoming a ripe plum , now for the bruising ,later for the plucking.

Barak Hussein Obama knows well how he fits within the hierarchy of Islam. His bow and kissing of the hand of the Saudi King,and the royal retinue's barely concealed smirks know Obama as a tool to be ridiculed and disrespected as a tenderloin sodomite, a useful puppet trophy ready for lashing to a ships mast on the dhow of state.

Our rare hope is to convince Obama in his penance required by a free people,that he needs to become a suicide bomber for the next occasion he finds his traduced frame in their presence.

Obama bites the hand that has fed him.And shortly his ignominy will catch up to him, just as a tree's shadow does when the sun of truth shines fully upon it from overhead. In the last analysis he is a sordid, tragic figure with a cloud of doom upon him.

We cannot be rid of him fast enough.

18 posted on 09/03/2009 11:19:08 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7
Srdja Trifkovic wrote a great article, because he commands knowledge about the sweep of Islamic History.

Needs to be posted as an article on FR. I'll ping you when it's up.

19 posted on 09/04/2009 3:20:57 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

The only good muslim is a DEAD one.


20 posted on 09/04/2009 6:45:36 AM PDT by crazyotto
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