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As hybrid cars gobble rare metals, shortage looms
Reuters ^ | 9/1/09 | Steve Gorman

Posted on 09/02/2009 9:21:28 PM PDT by Paul R.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The Prius hybrid automobile is popular for its fuel efficiency, but its electric motor and battery guzzle rare earth metals, a little-known class of elements found in a wide range of gadgets and consumer goods.

That makes Toyota's market-leading gasoline-electric hybrid car and other similar vehicles vulnerable to a supply crunch predicted by experts as China, the world's dominant rare earths producer, limits exports while global demand swells.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; hybridcars; shortage
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It'd sure be interesting to see some graphs of projected neodymium production vs. what would be needed to convert, oh, say maybe 1/4 of the world's vehicles to hybrid or electric drive, plus current usage of neo in other goods, in the next 10 years.
1 posted on 09/02/2009 9:21:29 PM PDT by Paul R.
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Ever play with neodymium magnets? They are unbelievably strong, cut or bruise your fingers if you get between them and some steel. Wow!


2 posted on 09/02/2009 9:25:42 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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Whoa, you mean there are Unintended Consequences in the commie agenda?


3 posted on 09/02/2009 9:26:16 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Bacon,smokless powder,and boobs are proof that God loves us.)
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To: Paul R.

Who DIDN’T see this coming? (aside from the enviroweenies themselves)


4 posted on 09/02/2009 9:30:08 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dumpster Baby
Whoa, you mean there are Unintended Consequences in the commie agenda?

Unintended? Hardly..."Death to America" sound familiar? Or if you are old enough, remember "We will bury you?"...it's just that they realized they were going to have to do it with a million spoons instead of a shovel...

5 posted on 09/02/2009 9:32:20 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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“One promising U.S. source is a rare earths mine slated to reopen in California by 2012.”

I pity anyone trying to open a mine in California. I won’t matter that we need the metal for enviro reasons.


6 posted on 09/02/2009 9:33:46 PM PDT by Wiseghy ( ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE $4 TRILLION DOLLARS AGO?)
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To: Paul R.

The law of unintended consequences is a bitch.


7 posted on 09/02/2009 9:37:45 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Love my country. Hate my government./Van Jones is an asshole. He said so himself.)
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To: Paul R.

The NYTimes today had an interesting article about the scarcity of some of the rare earth metals. China has about 85% of them, it’s a remarkable natural cornering of the market.


8 posted on 09/02/2009 9:39:49 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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you do know about the U-2 lie?

Bono is running the continent with 40 trucks...

how green is that ?


9 posted on 09/02/2009 9:41:06 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Wiseghy

The mine is located on I-15 at Mountain Pass about 20 miles from the Calif/Nev stateline. The mine has beem operating on and off since 1976 or there abouts (maybe earlier).
All color TV’s at that time had the rare earths in the tubes.


10 posted on 09/02/2009 9:41:41 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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A small, efficient diesel or dual-plugged gas engine doesn't need any neodymium or lithium and still gets great mileage.

It just needs a small sip of oil...like the oil beneath the Bakken shale, or the new BP find in the Gulf...or natural gas...

Batteries are for laptops and vibrators.

11 posted on 09/02/2009 9:43:38 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Hello, attention...

The first thing you do is...

do not listen to the NY Times.


12 posted on 09/02/2009 9:47:05 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Paul R.

I have an idea! Why don’t we develop a prime-mover that runs on petroleum products? We can use the oil that is off the coast of the U.S. and in northern Alaska to fuel them.


13 posted on 09/02/2009 9:49:50 PM PDT by wjcsux (Gibbs=one idiot speaking for another idiot.)
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Among the rare earths that would be most affected in a shortage is neodymium, the key component of an alloy used to make he high-power, lightweight magnets for electric motors of hybrid cars, such as the Prius, Honda Insight and Ford Fusion, as well as in generators for wind turbines.

No problem. If we ever need this rare earth alloy in a national emergency, we can junk all Prius hybrids for it.

14 posted on 09/02/2009 9:50:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Interesting, but like many "sky is falling" predictions fails to consider the whole picture. Permanent magnet motors are not the only game in town. The AC Induction motor needs no rare elements. If magnets get too expensive or rare, Nikola Tesla's invention will be there to save the day. In fact, the Tesla Roadster , a production electric sports car, uses just such a motor.

So, in answer to your question, 1/4 of the world's vehicles could indeed have electric drive without using a single gram of neodymium.

15 posted on 09/02/2009 9:56:11 PM PDT by Dimples
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To: Paul R.

Looks like one just can not win.


16 posted on 09/02/2009 10:08:50 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Sender
Batteries are for laptops and vibrators.

One of the funniest things that I have read today.
17 posted on 09/02/2009 10:12:04 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Toxic truth of secretive Siberian city
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6528853.stm


18 posted on 09/02/2009 10:14:50 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Sender

How do you prefer to store your energy?

In easy to transport, fast to load, high energy density hydrocarbon liquids?

Or in slow to load, low energy density, limited life and hard to dispose batteries made from rare earth elements?


19 posted on 09/02/2009 10:19:12 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Jack Lifton, an independent commodities consultant...

Each electric Prius motor requires 1 kilogram (2.2 lb) of neodymium, and each battery uses 10 to 15 kg (22-33 lb) of lanthanum. That number will nearly double under Toyota's plans to boost the car's fuel economy, he said.

This clown, Lifton, is a world-class idiot, but evidently an excellent self-promoter.

The elements in question are not "destroyed," nor are they fired into deep space after the useful life of the devices that contain them.

All these cars and wind turbines have a limited life-span.

One word: recycle.

It has never been more economical to mine the raw ore and refine the desired element than it is to simply recycle previously used material.

D'OH!

20 posted on 09/02/2009 10:39:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Obama Garden Club: Nothing but plants.)
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