Posted on 09/01/2009 11:36:48 AM PDT by nickcarraway
NATOs war in Afghanistan could become an Iraq-like quagmire, if Western powers continue on their present path
THIS IS THE just war, the "war of necessity," as Barack Obama likes to put it, in contrast to the bad war, the war of misguided choices in Iraq. But as a deeply flawed election went ahead in Afghanistan earlier this month, there were echoes, in the mission by the United States and its allies, of the darkest days of the Iraq campaign: muddled aims, mounting casualties and the gnawing fear of strategic defeat. Gloomy commentators evoke the spectre of the humiliations inflicted by Afghanistan on Britain in the 19th century and the Soviet Union in the 20th.
Americans, relieved to be getting out of Iraq and caught up in a national row about health care, are paying little attention to the place. But if things there continue to slide, Afghanistan could turn out to be the biggest blot on the Obama presidency.
WHY THE WEST IS THERE The war is going badly. Much of the south of the country is out of government control. A scattered, disparate insurgency has gained strength and risks turning into a widespread insurrection against Western forces and the elected government they are backing. In Britain, a skeptical public wonders what its soldiers are dying for. And as the costs and casualties continue to mount, Americans too will ask that question increasingly loudly.
Western governments use a lazy shorthand to justify this war. Its purpose, they say, is to deny terrorists the base and haven that Afghanistan under the Taliban provided to al-Qaida. But al-Qaidas surviving leaders are reckoned to have decamped across the border to the tribal areas of Pakistan, where Western forces do not tread. The other reasons that Western governments keep their soldiers in Afghanistan are harder to sell to voters: first, because a precipitate departure would damage the Wests global clout, and, second, to stop the country becoming the theatre for a war which could destabilize Pakistan and draw in other powers, such as Iran, India and Russia.
As the West struggles to maintain its weak hold on Afghanistan, so its ambitions there are narrowing. Early aspirations to bring peace, prosperity and decent government to the country have been replaced by the hope of establishing a functioning state and of improving security. By that measure, success in the short term will look much like a stalemate. But the chance of achieving even these modest aims is being jeopardized by too few troops and a flawed strategy.
The shortage of soldiers has hampered the generals ability to hold territory and forced them to use air power to make up for the lack of numbers.
The civilian casualties that are the inevitable consequence of conducting a war from the air are, in turn, damaging the war effort. The generals need more troops both to regain territory from the Taliban and to fight the war in a way that does not breed hostility to the West.
Yet swamping Afghanistan with foreign soldiers will never bring outright military victory. The surge that helped secure Baghdad was carried out in a smallish, densely populated area. Such tactics cannot be contemplated in a country as mountainous and rural as Afghanistan.
If the West is to stop the place slipping further out of control, it needs not just to direct more resources to the place, but also to use them better. That means different approaches to three elements: the opposition, the government and aid.
The opposition, casually described as "the Taliban," is far from a unified force in a country of great ethnic complexity. It includes not just religious zealots but all manner of tribal warlords and local strongmen. Many have alarming ideas and repellent social attitudes. But if Afghanistan is to be stabilized, the West will have to hold its nose and encourage its allies in government to do deals with them.
On the campaign trail, President Hamid Karzai has appealed to his enemies to make peace. But his government inept, corrupt and predatory does not look like a trustworthy partner. In parts of Afghanistan where insurgents have been driven out and the writ of the government has been restored, residents have sometimes hankered for the warlords, who were less venal and less brutal than Karzais lot.
Cleaning up government is not just an end in itself but also a means to building a functioning state, for Afghans will not support an administration as corrupt as the current one.
The West should therefore use its leverage over the government to insist that the next cabinet is dominated by competent technocrats, rather than thugs owed a favour.
HOW TO SPEND IT The West is spending a fortune in aid to Afghanistan. As the new head of Britains army recently pointed out, it is likely to have to go on supporting the country for decades. Yet the roads that are foreign developments proudest boasts also serve to meet the insurgents and drug dealers logistical needs.
That is inevitable: Infrastructure serves the wicked as well as the righteous. But the West has not spent its money as well as it could have. By giving too many contracts to foreigners, it has created grudges instead of buying goodwill. To most Afghan eyes, watching heavily guarded foreign-aid workers glide by in their Land Cruisers, it is obvious that much of the money is going straight back out of the country. To a degree, this is forgivable: In such a poor country it is difficult to build the capacity to manage huge volumes of aid, and channeling more of the cash through the government may mean that more of it gets stolen. But that is a risk that needs to be taken to build support for the West and the government.
Taking even the rosiest view, the war in Afghanistan is likely to get more expensive, and worse, before it gets better.
The mini-surge this year to enable the election to take place in most of the country will probably be followed by another to try to contain the growing insurgency. For the moment, Obama is better off than George W. Bush was when Iraq went bad, because he enjoys broad political and popular support for this commitment. But as casualties mount, political pressure in the U.S. to announce a timetable for military withdrawal will intensify.
To resist it, Obama will need more men, a better strategy and a great deal of luck.
Better comparison is to the Vietnam War where LBJ wouldn’t permit them to go all out to win.
Lost me right there...deeply flawed...as if they meant anything AT ALL...these cave dwellers LIVE in the seventh century with no loyalty to anything but the one of 70 tribes that live in that shithole...
And I have a question for the lefties;
WHY AFGAHNISTAN? How many Afghanis were on those planes?
Democracy with Muslims does not change their views towards non-Muslims.
so what do we do? leave? nuke them? only attack from off shore (as George Will suggests)?
This is crazy. I can almost guarantee you that the Afghans will go right back to what they were before we got there. We’re wasting our time, money and kids.
“so what do we do? leave? nuke them? only attack from off shore (as George Will suggests)?”
Why are we there? To “get the guys who bombed us?” They left 8 years ago.
Personally, I think that if we want to stay and create a new state, (no one will say WHY we are there) I like Ann Coulter’s suggestion....”We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
Otherwise, let’s just get the hell out...there’s no reason to be there on the ground...if Al Queda shows up, we hit them from the air...who gives a shit about the Taliban...seventh century camel jockies living in this shithole? Do we think THEY planned 9/11? Or that they even cared?
The only thing that could possibly make this worthwhile is to turn the poppie fields into infertile, permanent desert, saving us some of the American dead through overdoses every year and leave...I can’t think of any reason in the world we are there, unless we want to continue nation building...and if that’s what we are after, we ARE screwed, because it isn’t going to happen...the only chance of taming these people is to use Slow Joe Biden’s idea for Iraq...break them into their little fiefdoms and then let them alone.
Especially when we refuse to do what it takes to win.
The Taliban's weapons are financed with opium crops, which we will not touch. Those weapons are provided by Iran, whom we will not touch.
It seems beyond absurd -- bordering on insanity -- to ignore the supply lines of your enemy. But maybe that's just me.
Especially when we refuse to do what it takes to win.
Win WHAT? I don’t get it...this isn’t a prize fight...we have nothing to win or lose...there is no enemy there...leaving doesn’t make us losers, we’re not “quitting”...we accomplished what we wanted to do...we destroyed the training bases that hosted the Al Queda (for now) and established that drone attacks are more effective than boots on the ground...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, I say...
I agree totally. Use round-up on the poppy fields carpet bomb the problem areas and get out.
Since the enemy is ostensibly "terror", I'd say the best definition of victory would be to hobble the most terrorists possible. We can't realistically kill them fast enough to eliminate the problem, but destroying their financing (opium) and attacking the source of their weapons (Iran) would make more sense than what we're doing.
we have nothing to win or lose...there is no enemy there
??? What planet are you from? We have MILLIONS of enemy there!
we destroyed the training bases that hosted the Al Queda (for now)
Al Qaeda is not the main problem in Afghanistan, it's the Taliban.
...and established that drone attacks are more effective than boots on the ground
...for some purposes, yes. For others, no.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, I say...
Only if the mission was to prove UAV technology and get a lot of US troops some combat experience.
For the forseeable future, there is simply and endless stream of human roaches that need to be exterminated.
Fight them THERE or fight them HERE. Those remain our only options.
I'd prefer fighting them THERE by burning opium fields and performing retaliatory strikes on Iran every time weapons are found crossing the border.
“Fight them THERE or fight them HERE. Those remain our only options.”
Yeah, when those battle camels come clopping down Broadway, it will be a bitch...these “enemy” are not financed, they are TRIBESMEN, not interested in coming here and NOT the same as the one that we have defeated in Iraq...they are gone into Pakistan...if you are looking for a war, that would be the best place to go to get THEM. Afghanistan is pointless.
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