Posted on 08/31/2009 3:44:40 PM PDT by upchuck
To the credit of opponents of health-care reform, the lies and exaggerations they're spreading are not made up out of whole cloth—which makes the misinformation that much more credible... Take the claim in one chain e-mail that the government will have electronic access to everyone's bank account, implying that the Feds will rob you blind. The 1,017-page bill... does call for electronic fund transfers—but from insurers to doctors and other providers. There is zero provision to include patients in any such system. Five other myths that won't die:
You'll have no choice in what health benefits you receive.
The myth that a "health choices commissioner" will decide what benefits you get seems to have originated in a July 19 post at blog.flecksoflife.com...
No chemo for older Medicare patients.
The threat that Medicare will give cancer patients over 70 only end-of-life counseling and not chemotherapy...
Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance.
The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care...
Death panels will decide who lives.
On July 16 Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York and darling of the right...
The government will set doctors' wages.
This, too, seems to have originated on the Flecksoflife blog on July 19...
(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...
The first myth, about the Feds tromping through your bank account is just plain wrong. This article gets it right. Even Rush Limbaugh got caught on this one.
I am 100% opposed to HR3200 and any variations thereof. But we need to be careful when we make negative comments about the bill. False negative comments make us look unprepared and foolish.
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The government already DOES set doctor’s wages under both medicare and medicaid. Strike that off your list of alleged, “myths.”
"Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance. The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care..."The bill does not say "They will receive health care," but HR3200 contains so safeguards to prevent them from accessing the system. If they're here, they'll get it.
"Death panels will decide who lives." See, again, Title IV.
In Title IV, there are provisions establishing the "Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission" to determine what medicine and treatments are effective enough, and, therefore, which the government will allow patients to receive and will allow to be paid for by public option or "private" insurance. These determinations are to be based on the treatment or prescription being economically "effective," depending on whether the patient (or a category of patients) is deemed worth the expense because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. It mandates the creation of a commission like the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which assigns a value to a year of life based on age, existing conditions, etc. If a procedure or treatment exceeds that value, you don't get the medicine, treatment or procedure.
"Title IV of the House bill, HR 3200: TITLE IV—QUALITY 11 Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) IN GENERAL.—title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘PART D—COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘SEC. 1181. (a) CENTER FOR COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ESTABLISHED...goes on for pages...."
You won't even get a personal visit to the "death panel," or see the "commissioner." This commission will determine what treatment you may receive without ever looking at your individual case. Instead, you will be assigned to a cohort or a category, and the applicable limits applied to your care.
Gee, Newsweek sounds like an Obama spokesman. Hard to believe.
Suppose Joe has an occasional pain in his back which isn't very severe, but could be cured; Bob has more severe pain and would be willing to pay $5,000 for the treatment, but the pain is mild enough that Joe would rather have $1,000 cash than the treatment. Is there any reason Joe should receive the treatment and not Bob? Consider that if Bob gave Joe $3,000 cash and Bob got the treatment, both men would end up at least $2,000 better off than in a scenario where Bob kept his cash and Joe got the treatment.
It isn't possible for everyone to have all the treatments they would like. Under socialized medicine, treatments will be allocated on some basis other than people's willingness to pay for them. This will necessarily mean that some people will not receive treatments despite a willingness to pay more for them than others who do receive them.
The myth that a “health choices commissioner” will decide what benefits you get seems to have originated in a July 19 post at blog.flecksoflife.com...
The threat that Medicare will give cancer patients over 70 only end-of-life counseling and not chemotherapy...
The House bill doesn’t give anyone free health care...
On July 16 Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York and darling of the right...
This, too, seems to have originated on the Flecksoflife blog on July 19...
Thanks for those 5 lies, Newsweak.
They sure like putting Obama's picture on the cover!
HR3200 is sponsored by the chairs of three House Committees. Charlie Rangel (Ways and Means) Henry Waxman(Energy and Commerce) and George Miller (Education and labor.)
But who actually wrote the damned thing. Where did it come from? Like Obama ,I would like to see it’s birth certificate.
We know Waxman didnt write it, he admitted he hadnt even read it.We can figure Charlie didnt write it, He cant even remember how much is in his checking account. Did Miller write it? I doubt it.
Where did this thing ooze out of?
From what I have heard, I don't watch TV, Glen Beck claims it was written by the Apollo Project. This is hearsay.
“But who actually wrote the damned thing. Where did it come from?”
Pat Caddell said this bunch didn’t write it. He said it took them six months to find the bathrooms after taking office; no way they could’ve crafted this healthcare monstrosity. He said had been written long ago — years, most likely — and has been sitting in someone’s desk drawer. I think he mentioned Waxman.
re:#3:http://http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2282862/posts
“They actually got up and said “Latino children need health care more than whites”. And then they would say things like “you must go out into your communities, use words like ‘streamline’, use phrases like ‘all workers’ and ‘all families’,” because they said — and I quote — “If the American people find out that this bill is about giving health care to non-citizens, they will rise up against it.”
You actually believe this Newsweek agit-prop?
Of course the 'Death panel' is not in the bill... it already exists www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/death_panel_is_not_in_the...
Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership Recovery Act Allocates $1.1 Billion for Comparative Effectiveness Research
Scroll down this page and get their name, remember their faces and do some research on these eugenicists:
rel="nofollow">www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/os/cerbios.html
Are we to believe there is no Death Panel?
"When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated" ---Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Chief health-care policy adviser to President Barack Hussein Obama
John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
Excerpt:
• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.
zombietime.com/john_holdren/
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July 11, 2009 Obama's Science Czar John Holdren Considered Putting Sterilants in Our Drinking Water
Excerpt:
On government confiscation of babies:
One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption — especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. … It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.
www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/07/obamas_totalita.html
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Depopulation?
The International Health Regulations (IHR) pursuant to Article 21* of the Constitution of the World Health Organization (WHO) came into force in June 2007 and allow the General-Director of WHO to declare an international health emergency.
This was accomplished when a Level 6 Pandemic was declared by WHO on June 11, 2009.Reuters predicts that WHO will announce its call for mandatory “Swine Flu” vaccination as early as Monday, July 13, 2009.
“GENEVA, July 10 (Reuters) …WHO will probably hold a media briefing on Monday to issue guidance about the need for a H1N1 influenza jab, a WHO spokeswoman said on Friday.”
www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSLA13179620090710
During an international health emergency, WHO’s Director-General can impose regulations, including “sanitary and quarantine requirements and other procedures designed to prevent the international spread of disease”.
Once WHO declares a Pandemic or international health emergency, WHO has the authority to order forced vaccinations around the world.
All 194 signatory countries to IHR MUST comply.
A list of countries which have signed the WHO Constitution, binding them to observe IHR, can be found here: www.who.int/countries/en/
“We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.” J. Edgar Hoover (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)
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People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
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Ruth Bader-Ginsberg and Margaret Sanger must be highly pleased!
This is the cesspool of not-so-progressive progressives...the so-called and inacurately called liberals.
Disgusting isn't it! And we're going to let these evil ideals shape our Healthcare?!
This whole depopulation bill sounds a lot like the policy in China. So, is newsweek going to participate with their elderly employees?
Here's the sentence: The first myth, about the Feds tromping through your bank account is just plain wrong. This article gets it right. Even Rush Limbaugh got caught on this one.
On the first myth, the article is right.
You're right, the Death Panels were included in the porkulus bill. Betsy McCaughey, myself and some other FReepers on here were yelling our heads off about this but it did no good.
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