Posted on 08/29/2009 3:54:17 PM PDT by oldfart
One of the nice things about internet bulletin boards is the anonymity of each poster. Of course it isn’t perfect since the board owner has enough information to positively identify everyone and TPTB can (and probably will) demand that data whenever they choose. In the meantime there is one way our paranoia can be used against us.
We all swear that our “line in the sand” is the confiscation of our guns. We say that if and when it happens we will get the word out on the internet and thus mobilize thousands of patriots.
Good idea. But what if there is no internet? What if the President decides to use his power to turn off private access to the net before the confiscation begins? How will we notify others of what is happening?
One thing this administration has taught me is to never assume they’re doing anything abstractly… they always have a good reason for what they do and when they do it. After years in the Illinois legislature furthering gun control Obama has spent eight months in the Presidency without even so much as trying to push a gun control bill. But in the last week we’ve heard that at least one Federal judge (from Chicago, I believe)believes gun registration is Constitutional and now we see a bill introduced to give the President new powers to control the internet in the event of some ill-defined “cyber emergency.” Where other Presidents have – when once elected – generally ignored the organizations that helped them get elected, this President is advertising for “recruits” to continue working for the “change” he espoused.
I wonder what color their shirts will be, brown?
So suppose TPTB discover (or manufacture) some sort of ‘cyber emergency,’ shut down servers all over the country and then begin kicking in doors. How do we get the word out? We’ll still have computers but they’ll be severely handicapped. We used to be able to simply call up the other guy’s computer and converse back and forth. But we had the “other guy’s” phone number then too – and his name! Now, in our paranoia, we’ve hidden behind screen names that usually don’t even describe us very well. One name that I see on several boards is “LYCAN.” How would I contact him without the internet? What if he were the first one to be raided? How would any of us know in time to be ready for our own “knock on the door?”
We need some sort of phone tree where each of us has two or more numbers to contact if the balloon goes up. Perhaps there’s some way we could utilize those cheap throwaway phones I see at the supermarket checkout line. Comments?
Not so. The federal govt has had the power to seize control of the telephone network ...at least since I joined Naval communications in 1977.
The Defense Communications Agency was empowered to seize ma Bell infrastructure upon Presidential Directive. There's a cold-war law on the books somewhere that allows it.
We drilled for it. Had DETAILED op plans.
I have decided to first off go ahead and buy any decent CB radio either from Walmart, Radio Shack or fleabay, something with a few bells and whistles just so I can establish communication with other truckers, interestingly I drive a truck but only local and do not use a CB radio, what I want to set up for myself is something of local range of 50 miles first off with a minimum of 5 miles and then secondly is something that others agree upon as a universally accepted frequency such as HAM, the real question here is who is going to start the protocols of assigned times and freqs?
Or perhaps we can start a 24 hour recorded message on the hour highlighting specific news or events. Sort of like a HNN but Freerepublic style.
I dunno, lost revenue from no taxation? your guess is as good as mine, of course one could just “break the rules”.
Ham radio can be used:
1. To broadcast on HF (40m) and received by HF radios by public (replacing AM)
2. To setup network for information exchange and feed the broadcast.
3. HF bands can be used for wider coverage, VHF/UHF for local.
4.VHF/UHF repeaters can be used to network coast to coast but subject to shutdown, location of repeaters is known.
5 HF stations can operated mobile, harder to catch.
6. Traffic can be done by voice, packet (computer files, CW).
7. Possible to tie in with CB - 10m
8. It was done in Czechoslovakia during Soviet invasion, Russians were totally surprised, but then politicians signed “normalization” and hams were hanged to dry.
9. Ham radio with its wide spread, mobility, independence from switched networks is the medium least controllable.
10. For short range communications CB and UHF walkie-talkies are great.
>>>My 87 year old MIL was stressing about how they are trying to kill agriculture.<<<
She is absolutely correct!
H.R. 2749 puts almost total control of our food growing, transportation, storage and marketing in the hands of a lawyer from Monsanto who went with FDA, then back to Monsanto as a VP, and now back running this at FDA again.
Want a sick feeling? Check out Monsanto’s shenanigans on google.
H.R. 2749 which passed the House and is headed to the Senate gives the director the ability to stop movement of regional or all foods. All they have to say is that it is not produced under their guidelines - like not genetically modified or might have insects because it wasn’t sprayed with Zilther Blob insecticide - or any of a dozen others and they can confiscate it as adulterated. Fine you $100,000 per day too.
Gotta kill this thing in the Senate!
Sometimes being prepared prevents the necessity to act.
I agree, they can’t shut down the internet. After all, state run commerce, state run banks and the IRS are all dependent on the net. But if we are moving in a totalitarian direction,
the Obamunists will probably act like the PRC. Therefore, what do people in China struggling for liberty do? I know they used internet/twitter in Iran, but what type of systems do these people employ now?
I have a background in military communications...and while it's been awhile, only the technology has changed. Laws and capabilities remain nearly the same.
1. Ham Radio - Your location will be known within 15minutes of being identified as a broadcast they "want". To beat them, you must keep open a "listen/broadcast" channel. NEVER broadcast for more than 2-3minutes every 8 hours. NEVER.
The telephone network essentially belongs to Uncle Sam. The Defense Communications Agency will seize it as critical infrastructure at Declaration of Emergency. However, they'll probably just listen there. Telephones are critical for basic societal function. Just know they'll be listening to every call with machines looking for "key words". Learn a code of euphemisms to beat them...but if you ever do anything to get on their "list" full-time, euphemisms won't help. Then the humans will be listening.
As for the internet, ditto. It can be seized and it can be effectively monitored. Know with certainty there is AT LEAST a machine reading every post of Free Republic...and humans scanning the juicy "high interest" postings spit out by the machines.
Whenever you consider joining together with other like-minded people, know this. There are thousands of FBI/BATF etc. that have infiltrated most "militia" groups...and their definitions of whom might be a threat grow daily. ALWAYS and ONLY collaborate with family and friends you've known for a very long time. Keep that "cell" secret...don't talk, don't advertise. But DO meet and work out your contingency plans face-to-face, without electronic communications.
>>>VHF/UHF repeaters can be used to network coast to coast but subject to shutdown, location of repeaters is known.<<<
This is part of what I was trying to avoid.
Wouldn’t the bandwidth required to get any volume of data through it be too great for the 40 meter amateur band? I think I have read something about that.
Oh, believe me, I am not down on Hams... Many years ago I was a novice (about 45) but couldn’t afford the equipment I wanted. Have gone to some ARRL Field Days a few years ago and was amazed at the capabilities today.
Just wonder too how many would be able to tune in to broadcasts, let alone passing on critical information.
Someone who seems “too gung ho” is probably an infiltrator
Three if by air....
Thanks for the info
What would you personally recommend for getting a HAM radio or CB?
Hopefully, there will also be people in the government that will work covertly against this crap.
By the way, if this nonsense actually occurred, wouldn’t some members of the military and law enforcement remember their constitutional oath? Last I checked, we haven’t made the military swear an oath to our Fuhrer.
I agree about all of what you said and in the worst case scenario of people hunting down transmitters, but I do believe things will not be allowed to get that far advanced.
However I do think its a possibility that there will be some form of internet censorship upcoming and it may or may not spread to places like FR, as was posted by another it would almost have to involve other boards of the other groups.
I still think that it would be a proper and wise decision to go ahead and start organizing local members and if possible agree upon an easily available form such as CB, use trucker talk and lingo to keep conversation untraceable in a worst case scenario.
Truckers will always use CB.
Truckers may very well BE the new age Paul Reveres.
To beat them, you must keep open a "listen/broadcast" channel. NEVER broadcast for more than 2-3minutes every 8 hours. NEVER.You can't expect undisciplined civilians to observe this kind of schedule; besides, if you use the 40 or 80 Meter bands (7 Mhz and 3.8 MHZ respectively) there is usually enough skywave to raise havoc with DF operations that you're safe for short, infrequent comms well short of 8 hours apiece.
There is a network of beaccons just above the 80 M band (4.096 MHz area) that I defy anyone to DF and locate! It's not quite that easy ... moving up to 20M with good propagation and this becomes even more fun ... but preferences run to 40 or 80 Meters for 'theater' operations that can be run without repeaters on tall comm towers that normally yield 40 - 60 mile range.
I work in the telecommunications industry and can say the CLEA act gets theCALEA.
The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) is a United States wiretapping law passed in 1994, during the presidency of Bill Clinton ...
A network of CB radios would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to defeat. Due to the nature of most CB transmission being only line-of-sight and low powered, the big, sophisticated direction finding equipment would not be able to pick it up. There are only about 20 such sites in the US. There are not enough mobile DF systems to even make a dent in finding folks.
I could see truckers playing a critical role...mobile. Sometime the information will have to be carried across large stretches of mountains, plains or desert. Even mobile CBs in your hunting truck.
Two-way VHF commercial systems are good too, with all the desirable characteristics of CB...but a little more distance.
That, my fellow patriots, is a communications network that could not be disabled...and allows one to remain anonymous.
But it can be heard widely. Think of it as news relay...not secure communications.
1. Defeat the interlock on the microwave door.
2. Learn Morse code.
3. Run extension cord up to roof.
4. Haul microwave up to roof.
5. Point microwave at distant receiver.
6. Turn microwave on.
7. Open and close door to produce Morse dits and dahs.
Not sure how you make a receiver that simple, though.
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I agree that it would be a more targeted approach, to preserve the government's own comms, in part.
Sites like this will get clobbered, but an e-mail list server which copies any registrant's message to all hands - that might not be at the top of the list to shut down. Particularly if it has an innocuous name.
Keep in mind, too, that P2P sites - especially those not on U.S. soil - could be useful. Back in Napster's heyday, I downloaded what I thought was an .mp3 file of some old radio show. It was actually a zip file of documents from the Stormfront white power types. The trick is to disguise the file as something that only certain people would go looking for, and using some sort of identifier in the file name - like a strategic typographical "error".
There are not enough mobile DF systems to even make a dent in finding folks.Think of it as: suppression of activity in and around population centers only ...
Intermittant activity, activity in the boonies would be difficult and low-reward for the asset's time spent.
The bad guys will learn to leverage this method of communications to their advantage.
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