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Executed man didn't commit fatal arson, expert tells TX officials
Kansas City Star ^ | Aug 25 2009 | James Hart

Posted on 08/25/2009 4:10:19 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

In Texas, they're conducting the first state-sponsored review of a capital punishment case. Specifically, they're looking into the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was convicted and executed for setting a house fire that killed his three children. An expert on fire science says there was "no basis" to rule the fire an arson, the Chicago Tribune reports.

The state fire marshal on the case, Beyler concluded in his report, had "limited understanding" of fire science. The fire marshal "seems to be wholly without any realistic understanding of fires and how fire injuries are created," he wrote.

The marshal's findings, he added, "are nothing more than a collection of personal beliefs that have nothing to do with science-based fire investigation."

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arson; capitalpunishment; deathpenalty; willingham
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1 posted on 08/25/2009 4:10:19 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

12 years in prison and appeals... This looks more like a political anti-death-penalty story.


2 posted on 08/25/2009 4:13:33 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Yawn!!!
3 posted on 08/25/2009 4:14:48 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: edcoil
This looks more like a political anti-death-penalty story.

Bingo! Go to the head of the class!

4 posted on 08/25/2009 4:22:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Alter Kaker
I don't know about this instance but — the biggest liars in the court system are “expert” witnesses working for the plaintiff lawyers.
5 posted on 08/25/2009 4:23:39 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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6 posted on 08/25/2009 4:29:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Alter Kaker
The Death Penalty: All Sales Final!
7 posted on 08/25/2009 4:29:46 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Alter Kaker
"An expert on fire science"

Of course no mention of who this "expert" is or his credentials or who he is working for. Just another "ban the death penalty" group. If this is the best that they can come up with...

8 posted on 08/25/2009 4:31:14 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: edcoil
What state are you a fire Marshal in ?
9 posted on 08/25/2009 4:33:55 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Alter Kaker

12 people heard all of the evidence in this case. They observed the defendent in the dock and they heard all the witnesses and concluded unanimously that he was guilty.

The fact that some of the forensics in the case might be subject to different interpretations doesn’t mean the Willingham was innocent.

This is just a political attack on capital punishment.


10 posted on 08/25/2009 4:37:10 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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“The Tribune obtained a copy of the review by Craig Beyler, of Hughes Associates Inc., which was conducted for the Texas Forensic Science Commission, created to investigate allegations of forensic error and misconduct. The re-examination of the Willingham case comes as many forensic disciplines face scrutiny for playing a role in wrongful convictions that have been exposed by DNA and other scientific advances.”


11 posted on 08/25/2009 4:37:45 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: MilspecRob

I was a firefighter in the 70’s.


12 posted on 08/25/2009 4:38:28 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: BenLurkin
I don't know about this instance but — the biggest liars in the court system are “expert” witnesses working for the plaintiff lawyers.

The expert cited in the article was hired by the Texas Forensic Science Commission when they re-opened this case and is working for the state of Texas.

13 posted on 08/25/2009 4:39:11 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Testimony at the Trial:
Neighbors of Willingham testified that as the house began smoldering, Willingham was crouched down in the front yard, and despite the neighbors' pleas, refused to go into the house in any attempt to rescue the children.

Neighbors Say Willingham Showed No Remorse:
The testimony at trial demonstrates that Willingham neither showed remorse for his actions nor grieved the loss of his three children. Willingham's neighbors testified that when the fire blew out the windows, Willingham hollered about his car and ran to move it away from the fire to avoid its being damaged. A fire fighter also testified that Willingham was upset that his dart board was burned.

Christmas Eve - The Day After the Fire:
One of Willingham's neighbors testified that the morning following the house fire, Christmas Eve, Willingham and his wife were at the burned house going through the debris while playing music and laughing.

source

Good riddance.

14 posted on 08/25/2009 4:43:59 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: I_Like_Spam
12 people heard all of the evidence in this case. They observed the defendent in the dock and they heard all the witnesses and concluded unanimously that he was guilty. The fact that some of the forensics in the case might be subject to different interpretations doesn’t mean the Willingham was innocent.

That's just outright stupid. Yes, the article is an attack on the death penalty. But yes, we are all human and mistakes are made, and the system must always examine itself to make sure it is doing the best possible job. 12 people. Like the OJ jury?

15 posted on 08/25/2009 4:44:52 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Alter Kaker
The evidence provided at the trial showed that on December 23, 1991, Willingham poured a combustible liquid on the floor throughout his home and intentionally set the house on fire, resulting in the death of his three children. According to autopsy reports, Amber, age two, and twins Karmon and Kameron, age 1, died of acute carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of smoke inhalation. Neighbors of Willingham testified that as the house began smoldering, Willingham was “crouched down” in the front yard, and despite the neighbors’ pleas, refused to go into the house in any attempt to rescue the children. An expert witness for the State testified that the floors, front threshold, and front concrete porch were burned, which only occurs when an accelerant has been used to purposely burn these areas. The witness further testified that this igniting of the floors and thresholds is typically employed to impede firemen in their rescue attempts.

The testimony at trial demonstrates that Willingham neither showed remorse for his actions nor grieved the loss of his three children. Willingham’s neighbors testified that when the fire “blew out” the windows, Willingham “hollered about his car” and ran to move it away from the fire to avoid its being damaged. A fire fighter also testified that Willingham was upset that his dart board was burned. One of Willingham’s neighbors testified that the morning following the house fire, Christmas Eve, Willingham and his wife were at the burned house going through the debris while playing music and laughing.

At the punishment phase of trial, testimony was presented that Willingham has a history of violence. He has been convicted of numerous felonies and misdemeanors, both as an adult and as a juvenile, and attempts at various forms of rehabilitation have proven unsuccessful.

The jury also heard evidence of Willingham’s character. Witnesses testified that Willingham was verbally and physically abusive toward his family, and that at one time he beat his pregnant wife in an effort to cause a miscarriage. A friend of Willingham’s testified that Willingham once bragged about brutally killing a dog. In fact, Willingham openly admitted to a fellow inmate that he purposely started this fire to conceal evidence that the children had been abused.

Dr. James Grigson testified for the state at punishment. According to his testimony, Willingham fits the profile of a sociopath whose conduct becomes more violent over time, and who lacks a conscience. Grigson explained that a person with this degree of sociopathy commonly has no regard for other people’s property or for other human beings. He expressed his opinion that an individual demonstrating this type of behavior can not be rehabilitated in any manner, and that such a person certainly poses a continuing threat to society.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/willingham899.htm

16 posted on 08/25/2009 4:51:12 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Crisis - America Held Hostage)
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To: Alter Kaker
An expert on fire science says there was "no basis" to rule the fire an arson

"Experts" can be hired to say any damn thing. This story would be much more credible if it revealed who paid this "expert" ... how much he was paid ... and where in the hell has he been for the last 12 years. The fire marshal was on the scene ... the "expert" wasn't.

17 posted on 08/25/2009 4:52:55 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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This is despicable. The guy murdered his three children and then exhausted a very generous appeal system. Stinks of a lieberal rat sifting through cold case files looking for some cheese to freshen up his sour career and is not above playing politics with a tragedy.

This makes me sick.


18 posted on 08/25/2009 4:56:31 PM PDT by JohnGalt11B (This makes me sick.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

On one hand he appears to be a well respected expert with a ton of expertise.

On the other, he’s a Kerry Democrat.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/craig-beyler.asp?cycle=04

So who knows?
I would hope that he would not color his professional opinion with his personal political views, but it’s been done before.

For now I give him the benefit of the doubt...


19 posted on 08/25/2009 4:58:10 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: Alter Kaker

No problem with looking at it again. Who is the “expert”?


20 posted on 08/25/2009 5:06:19 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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