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A New Sun Rises for Japan, Inc. (Economic Recovery in Asia)
Times of London ^ | 23 August 2009 | Michael Sheridan and Shota Ushio

Posted on 08/25/2009 12:27:04 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

There are queues at expensive oyster restaurants and the housewives are once again trading foreign exchange — signs that Japan’s return to economic growth has restored its confidence. The world’s second-largest economy is expected to grow 1% next year after contracting 3%. The recession has led to Japanese firms shedding 100,000 jobs since the collapse of Lehman Brothers, pushing unemployment up to 5.4%. ...Now the apocryphal “Mrs Watanabe” and her fellow traders have ventured back to the Tokyo Financial Exchange, according to brokers who report that transactions are up by more than half on a year ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndlargesteconomy; asia; asiapacific; business; economy; japan; kaifuku; rebound; recession; recovery; stocks
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I will stand back and just watch them mix it up on this thread (maybe post a few comments here and there).... ;-)
1 posted on 08/25/2009 12:27:04 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

ping!


2 posted on 08/25/2009 12:27:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (When the libs finally cry "UNCLE!", do NOT let up. Escalate it & keep beating the cr*p out of them!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
We are in a temporary respite. Everybody still has huge debt problems, and overcapacity. While Asia may fare better in relative terms, I don't think Asia could effectively decouple from other parts of the world. It may happen in the future. However, it will take years.
3 posted on 08/25/2009 12:33:42 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The linkeage is pretty significant, yes. Still, I would see the linkeage is less than maybe 20 years ago, and there is a lot of intra-Asian talk of mitigating matter. Whether that is do-able shall be interesting.


4 posted on 08/25/2009 1:21:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (When the libs finally cry "UNCLE!", do NOT let up. Escalate it & keep beating the cr*p out of them!)
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The current rebound is fueled by Chinese spending spree. Once that is over, things will fade.
5 posted on 08/25/2009 1:27:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"The current rebound is fueled by Chinese spending spree. Once that is over, things will fade."

What about Asian markets expanding into other markets, and visa versa, like Canada, Europe, Mexico, India, South America? Why would that fade?

6 posted on 08/25/2009 1:41:40 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Watanabe Wannabes?


7 posted on 08/25/2009 1:46:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A few hours ago there was a story that China had... finally... surpassed Germany in the value of its annual exports.

We’re talking about countries with wildly disparate geographic and population size here. Is it only because the vast majority of China’s exports go to America that it seems so mighty to us?


8 posted on 08/25/2009 1:49:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
China jacked up their demand side of economy by huge spending binge. Their stock market also took lots of state fund.

This is another debt financing without fundamental restructuring. It is not sustainable. It will only make China join the rank of countries under mounting debts. With state not only pumping money but also play a major consumer, they are effectively nullifying market mechanism. A kind of things Obama and Krugman could envy. It will create huge mal-investment, that is, bubbles not backed up by fundamentals. This will end as badly as U.S. bubble.

End of Chimerica.

9 posted on 08/25/2009 2:02:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

They have been going through deflation.


10 posted on 08/25/2009 2:05:56 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They are export-oriented economy, which rode a boom of last decade and a half. Has huge foreign currency reserve. It expansion is rather fast, which gave impression to people in the world. By the same token, U.S. has been pretty impressive up until 2007. 'Unfathomably' mighty economy, many thought(I did not.)

What we see today is the highly exaggerated version of China. Global business media did their part to pump up China's image. Global business benefited handsomely from outsourcing to China. Hyperventilating coverage for more than a decade gave us quite distorted view of China. Just as many had distorted(charitable) view of U.S. economy.

11 posted on 08/25/2009 2:09:54 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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Would be interesting to compare number of working people in Germany vs. China. If their yearly exports were similar, the efficiency in man-hour vs. dollar’s worth of export must be vastly lower for China. And China is concentrated on exports, unlike Germany. Germany probably only has a minority of its workers dedicated to exports.


12 posted on 08/25/2009 2:14:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The thing that will FINALLY bring sanity back to economies around the world is the realization that the very idea of the income tax is a TERRIBLE idea.

Here in the USA, we have somewhere between US$12 and US$17 TRILLION in American-owned liquid assets socked away at offshore financial centers located around the world to keep them out of the reach of the IRS; I can confidently say that rich Europeans from various countries in Europe are doing the same thing, in my estimation socked away probably at minimum US$19 TRILLION outside Europe or in smaller countries of Europe with tight bank secrecy laws to keep those assets out of the reach of European tax authorities, and it's likely happening in Asia too.

This is economic madness, to say the least. Governments around the world need to realize liquid assets owned by their own citizens sitting outside their own country for tax avoidance reasons ends up hurting the local economy since this hurts the local flow of liquidity needed to open loans and lines of credit needed to keep businesses running. If they realize that by changing their tax laws to encourage keeping personal savings and capital investment from fleeing the country, much of the world's economic ills would come to an end, especially we save ourselves the enormously expensive process of everyone looking for any place with the lowest tax rate to keep their money.

13 posted on 08/25/2009 3:36:22 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

From what I understand, the age demographics in Japan are horrendous, and they are stuck importing workers for a high percentage of their jobs. My question is: in Japan, do these immigrants pay taxes? Is it as rigid a working/class structure as in the Middle East, where even “middle class” Anglos are viewed as servants? Or do the Japanese embrace them as partners?


14 posted on 08/25/2009 4:21:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
But America's imports of Chinese goods are pretty small, still, as a total percentage, I think.

I recommend to everyone a book written by an Indian immigrant to America called "The Venturesome Economy." He takes on Krugman, Friedman, but also Buchanan and the tariff-barrier people. Too much to get into now, but it's a challenging perspective.

15 posted on 08/25/2009 4:24:00 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: RayChuang88
Until or unless any or all of this translates into wage inflation, there is no inflation. I agree that there is substantial money waiting to move: indeed, some of the recent stock market "recovery" is based on the fact that MONEY HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. It is constantly in search of productive profit. The fact that China still buys U.S. securities, despite Obama, suggests that the U.S. is still the best place in the world to do business.

If, or when, that flow stops, it would say a lot about those perceptions.

16 posted on 08/25/2009 4:27:07 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Excellent posts!

USA was in a consuming frenzy and most people can understand that it’s fun to consume Chinese/Asian made electronics, automobiles, computer components, all that Home Depot and Walmart stuff. And run up your credit card doing it. Borrow money (that you can never pay back) to finance this consumption.

CHINA was in a manufacturing frenzy. This was very exciting to them just the same as our own industrial revolution was. Peoples incomes were rising. They were working in new factories not shoveling manure and hoeing cabbages back on the farm. Very modern! And you look good on the world stage. You can have pride in China. You don’t live in some backwater like the Philippines

Shanghai is in a frenzy of construction and a by product of China’s manufacturing frenzy that paid for it. It’s exciting to talk on your new cell phone and have new trendy restaurants to eat in. More unattached and available women too

There is an upside to unsustainable production same as there is an upside to unsustainable consumption


17 posted on 08/25/2009 4:39:23 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: LS
From what I understand, the age demographics in Japan are horrendous, and they are stuck importing workers for a high percentage of their jobs. My question is: in Japan, do these immigrants pay taxes? Is it as rigid a working/class structure as in the Middle East, where even “middle class” Anglos are viewed as servants? Or do the Japanese embrace them as partners?

Immigrants are next to nothing in Japan
They (illegal ones) might be found in construction and restaurant kitchens

Japan does not import people in to work there
Instead they establish factories etc in low cost Asian nations like Thailand
And their 3rd world colonies like America (automobiles primarily)

Japan is for the Japanese and they will keep it this way
I wish we had the same pride and xenophobia

18 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:43 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: RayChuang88
The thing that will FINALLY bring sanity back to economies around the world is the realization that the very idea of the income tax is a TERRIBLE idea.

Convincing the retards we have running our country into the ground is another thing.

They will hold onto the income tax because it gives them power over the lemmings every election cycle.

We need to abolish slavery once again. Abolish the income tax and demolish the IRS!

19 posted on 08/25/2009 6:32:21 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: dennisw

Well, no. They are rapidly aging and old societies are completely unproductive societies. A 1% GNP growth after years of decline is hardly encouraging. The fact is, you either have more kids, or you allow immigration. There is no other way to have younger, more productive workers.


20 posted on 08/25/2009 7:19:51 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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