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Awesome new(old) engine tech...TURBO COMPOUNDING
Layover.com ^ | 2009-02-24 | ?

Posted on 08/23/2009 7:08:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

ARLINGTON, Va. —The Truck Writers of North America (TWNA) announced Detroit Diesel Corporation’s DD15 engine turbo compounding as the winner of its Technical Achievement Award for 2008 during TMC’s 2009 Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla., Feb. 9-12.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: diesel; efficiency; engine; turbo
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To: Nathan Zachary
mamelukesabre is correct. You are wrong. They are taking the exhaust gasses to drive a turbine which coverts the exhaust energy to mechanical. It doesn't connect to another compressor to compress the intake air like a turbocharger. The output of the compound turbo is converted mechanically and is effectively added to the mechanical output of the engine.
41 posted on 08/24/2009 8:04:34 AM PDT by Lx
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To: Nathan Zachary
"The turbine is usually mechanically connected to the crankshaft but electric and hydraulic systems have been investigated as well."....

That is generally the definition of turbo compounding...

42 posted on 08/24/2009 10:02:20 AM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: Lx
They are taking the exhaust gasses to drive a turbine which coverts the exhaust energy to mechanical.

You are correct sir...

43 posted on 08/24/2009 10:03:21 AM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: okie01
Actually. like the no child left behind act they passed a no offy left behind rule, which restricted the the air intake to make them non competitive. barbra ann
44 posted on 08/24/2009 11:07:07 AM PDT by barb-tex (Regardless of what you may have heard Sarah is not gone!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Ok, but will I get more chicks?


45 posted on 08/24/2009 11:12:13 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Folks, if you do not know who Paul Lamar is go here....

http://www.rotaryeng.net/

He has been a quest for a while to Turbo-Compound a Rotary (Wankel).

His reasoning is the CW-3350's had issues with the exhaust valves. Rotaries do not have exhaust valves.

Check this page out as well: http://www.rotaryeng.net/turbo-compound.html

Also.....

Check this out, Pratt and Whitney Canada's Application for a Patent...Turbo-Compounded Rotary

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=EP&NR=1611331&KC=&FT=E


46 posted on 08/24/2009 11:45:48 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: taildragger
Also go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy_Jd5kewbM
47 posted on 08/24/2009 11:50:32 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: taildragger

August 2009 Issue of Kitplanes.... Paul Lamar wrote a great article on Turbo-Compounding...


48 posted on 08/24/2009 11:52:11 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: nightwalker

Yes, and the throttle response was......lagging.


49 posted on 08/24/2009 12:06:04 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: barb-tex

Well put.


50 posted on 08/24/2009 5:03:56 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: taildragger

Fascinating.

It seems to me though, that the RPMs of the wankel are too high. They need a compression ignition version of it running in the 2-3 thousand RPM range. But then they won’t get the self stratified charge effect.

Maybe with a counter-rotating prop in a duct, the higher RPMs could be effectively utilized without gear reduction...but then you are fast approaching a turbofan. Perhaps a poor-mans turbofan could consist of a turbo-compounded-wankel driving 5 blade counter rotating propellers in a duct?


51 posted on 08/24/2009 6:02:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
MLS...

As I undestand turbo's they turn heat in to motion energy. The compounding if you will, turns it into shaft power vs. back into the induction system as boost.

With poor thermal efficency, the Wankel would be a natural given the high exhaust temps. So, take those losses and turn them into motion?

Take a look at Lamar's website. He used to have a Cad 2D drawing of the concept you noted. A 3 rotor Wankel with direct-drive in a duct, turbocharged but I think this was before he was into the Turbocompounding as a poor man's jet engine if you will....

52 posted on 08/24/2009 6:30:38 PM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: taildragger

“As I undestand turbo’s they turn heat in to motion energy”
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There is a difference between a pressure pump and a displacement pump. Also, with turbos, there is a difference between a velocity turbo and a pressure turbo. It’s been a long long time since I studied thermodynamics in college, so I don’t remember much of it.

Isothermal vs isotropic, IIRC.

It seems to me like we are on the verge of an energy revolution. These ultra efficient ideas for combustion cycles coupled with emerging battery technologies should give us amazing improvements. I can’t help but think we are about to witness something like the industrial revolution brought on by the invention of the steam engine. If obama doesn’t kill our economy first.

The more I think about it, the more I’m of the opinion that John Deere and company were geniuses when they invented the johnny popper. I’m thinking a high tech two stroke twin cylinder compression ignition version of the old johnny popper is the way to go for class 8 trucks and agricultural implements. Make it valveless(like a detroit diesel series 51) with a supercharger, a turbosupercharger, and turbo compounding with a 180 degree crankshaft...and run it at about 300RPMs. manifold boost pressure set around 50-100psi. I’d say a 6inch bore and about a 10inch stroke should do. Bring back the piston rod and the crosshead bearing, and maybe make the crosshead bearing of the cutting edge magnetic levitating kind. Then get rid of the transmission and go with pure electric drive like a locomotive does. Then add regenerative braking and batteries.


53 posted on 08/24/2009 8:26:51 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy_Jd5kewbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOtQG35EK_s&NR=1


54 posted on 09/13/2009 11:08:26 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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