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No Health Care Reform Without Legal Reform (Sarah Palin)
Facebook ^ | 8/21/09 | Sarah Palin

Posted on 08/21/2009 7:14:29 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

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To: DryFly

I mean, come across with the savings.


141 posted on 08/21/2009 10:46:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: been_lurking
If you dislike Palin so much, why wouldn't you just ignore threads about Palin and get on with your life?

I don't dislike her. What I do dislike is a bunch of mindless "conservatives" who tout her as the next Reagan, despite her lack of qualifications.

She is just not ready yet; and to pretend that she is ready, is not only a disservice to her, but also to conservatism as a whole.

142 posted on 08/21/2009 10:49:03 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: been_lurking
No where does she say the roads, schools or hospitals have to use tax payers money. These could just as well be private roads, private schools, and private hospitals.

Yeah, right.

As I noted before, the truth is probably that Sarah Palin didn't give much thought to that line at all, aside from trying to play an emotional card.

The fact that she can say such things apparently without thinking about what they really mean, is evidence of her unreadiness for the big time.

She needs work, and that takes time.

143 posted on 08/21/2009 10:51:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: DogBarkTree

Hmmmm.....from what is supposed to be the dummy? I guess next they will start saying she has a ghost writer for her facebook page.


144 posted on 08/21/2009 10:57:54 AM PDT by Flint
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To: HiTech RedNeck
For the sake of the argument not dissolving into “did not!” “did too!” I would hope one aspect of the research of tort reformers would include this.

If as is often said, physicians on the average carry $200,000 in malpractice insurance, there should be some room for savings with real tort reform and limits on awards, or even removing these cases from the jury system.

145 posted on 08/21/2009 10:58:57 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DryFly

I don’t know of a more credible accounting firm than Price Waterhouse.

Do you?


146 posted on 08/21/2009 10:59:51 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: r9etb
She needs work, and that takes time.

Are you jealous of her success? You certainly appear very defensive and bitter on the whole topic.

147 posted on 08/21/2009 11:05:48 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: r9etb

No one has discussed this issue in the way that Palin has thusfar in this ObamaCare debate.

Palin is the only one, since about April or May, who has discussed tort reform.

She’s on the ball on the issue, while many of the mainstream Republican heads have no balls on the issue (see Mitt Romney).


148 posted on 08/21/2009 11:06:33 AM PDT by ThePanFromJapan (The Pundit class is going to be crapping bricks at what's coming next...*evil grin*)
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To: r9etb

“As I noted before, the truth is probably that Sarah Palin didn’t give much thought to that line at all, aside from trying to play an emotional card.

The fact that she can say such things apparently without thinking about what they really mean, is evidence of her unreadiness for the big time.”

She provided citations for each of her statements. Short of binding her essays in hardcover and autographing them, I am not sure what you need to satisfy you. Let’s face the facts, you allow the state run media to shape your thoughts and feelings about political figures.

Palin is offering a real suggestion of reform in the health care bill. Others have offered it before, she brings more attention to the issue.

There is a saying that there are no new ideas, only new ways to remarket old ideas. Your expectation that any candidate is going to have 80 new ideas that have never been heard of before is unreasonable.

Of course unreasonable is a theme that resounds thru many of your postings.


149 posted on 08/21/2009 11:09:33 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
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To: ThePanFromJapan
No one has discussed this issue in the way that Palin has thusfar in this ObamaCare debate.

Not true. Jim DeMint, for example, has been very active on the subject of tort reform -- in the context of health care reform, even -- to the point of actually proposing an alternative reform plan. All of which puts him well ahead of Palin on the topic.

150 posted on 08/21/2009 11:18:13 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: been_lurking
Are you jealous of her success? You certainly appear very defensive and bitter on the whole topic.

Meh.... I guess you'd rather wallow in emotionalism than rational discussion. That's your right, but I'm not going to play along anymore.

151 posted on 08/21/2009 11:19:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Well up to this point the issue unfortunately hasn't had good enough traction to get it done. .

"That's false. Ms. Palin herself cited several instances where it did have enough traction to be enacted into law ... without her help."

I've been reading through this thread - oh, give me a break!

We are talking about whether or not tort reform has been a significant part of the current debate on a national level. It has NOT. The libs have not addressed it at all, except by not addressing it, as clearly shown by other posters, above. Conservative leaders have so far failed to even cause a ripple.

Palin's piece is not perfect, true. But Ronald Reagan himself, I am sure, could and probably did on many an occaision go back and critique a lot of his own writings, later. So, I am not so concerned that Palin's piece does not read like it has been written by someone who has been penning "deep" policy articles for decades. What she has done is write an article that gets a specific part of the health care debate out in front of more people, and shown more people who otherwise would hear only the MSM / libs that conservatives DO have some ideas on improving the system. She has done this with an argument / words an average person can understand, and pointed out some specific examples of those ideas having a positive effect (something the Dems cannot do, I would add!)

It's just a little ripple, true. It's not even perfectly concentric. But, at least it's a ripple, and she's willing and able to make it.

I'll take it.

152 posted on 08/21/2009 11:20:12 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: r9etb

Hey, r9, a question or two, just for my own curiosity.
Consider it to have nothing to do with the thread:

1) Do you believe that people are “basically good”?
2) Do you believe that some people are so much more moral and intelligent that they should be making the decisions for those who are less intelligent?

Just doing some research, not picking a fight.


153 posted on 08/21/2009 11:22:25 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Paul R.
We are talking about whether or not tort reform has been a significant part of the current debate on a national level. It has NOT.

Messrs. DeMint and Corker would probably take exception to that comment. As would the pundits who have been saying unkind things about their efforts to advance the topic.

154 posted on 08/21/2009 11:22:47 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

To his credit, DeMint certainly has done good work on this. But, except to some of US, it’s virtually “invisible”, and has no chance of going anywhere. Maybe if DeMint and Palin were to coordinate their efforts...


155 posted on 08/21/2009 11:24:29 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: r9etb

That’s funny. I have seen no publication from DeMint on this, specifically, in the context of ObamaCare.

You’re reaching farther back than you’re allowed.

You’re gonna have to face it, that Palin is doing something that is much more effective and much more impacting than what others have only dreamed of doing.

You don’t like Palin, and I understand that. But don’t let your dislike of Palin consume you.


156 posted on 08/21/2009 11:24:43 AM PDT by ThePanFromJapan (The Pundit class is going to be crapping bricks at what's coming next...*evil grin*)
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To: DogBarkTree

Perfect timing on her part and succinct. Nice!


157 posted on 08/21/2009 11:32:18 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: MrB
1) Do you believe that people are “basically good”?

Aside from our all being fallen, I think that most people generally want to do the right thing most of the time, even if they tend to fail now and again. We're not so much "basically good," as we have a "basically good will."

2) Do you believe that some people are so much more moral and intelligent that they should be making the decisions for those who are less intelligent?

That's too broad a question to answer definitively. In some cases -- military strategy, for example -- some people may in fact be more capable and better informed, and as such are in a better position to make decisions for others. In many cases, individuals of whatever intelligence level are far-better placed to make their own decisions on a variety of matters -- economic choices being a particularly significant example. And sometimes there's a middle ground, which falls in the broad category of "regulation," where individual choices have to be balanced against the needs of society at large; pollution regulations are a pretty good example of that.

Just doing some research, not picking a fight.

Well, now, you'll pardon my suspicion that your "research" is about getting ready to pick a fight based on your presumption that I must be an elitist liberal or something.

Sorry, I'm not.

158 posted on 08/21/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
You are sort of making my point for me!

Messrs. DeMint and Corker would probably take exception to that comment. As would the pundits who have been saying unkind things about their efforts to advance the topic.

Actually, I think DeMint, Corker, and others, in an unguarded moment, would likely express deep frustration on the subject of "trying to advance the topic." Let me reword something I said:

As far as the public in general goes, except to some of US, DeMint, et al's, work on this, and their general approach, has been virtually “invisible” on a national level, and has no chance of going anywhere. Maybe if DeMint and Palin were to coordinate their efforts...

159 posted on 08/21/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: r9etb; been_lurking

“Messrs. DeMint and Corker would probably take exception to that comment. As would the pundits who have been saying unkind things about their efforts to advance the topic.”

Good to see that you dropped your Romney citation out of this statement. Also, I am sure that Messrs. DeMint and Corker, being committed to a better nation, by whatever means, are happy that Gov Palin has draw attention to the issue. You accuse others of giving emotional responses, but yours seem to be the ones based on some irrational dislike for Governor Palin or the idea that she doesn’t meet your lofty and as yet unstated criteria for a conservative leader. r9, your fellow conservatives love you and want to help you work thru the issues, but you have to actually let us know what perspective you are coming from.


160 posted on 08/21/2009 11:34:40 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
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