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Can We Succeed in Afghanistan?
Townhall.com ^ | August 21, 2009 | Mona Charen

Posted on 08/21/2009 5:09:41 AM PDT by Kaslin

He was certainly brave, but was he crazy? That's what I wondered when I picked up Rory Stewart's "The Places in Between," an account of the Scotsman's 2002 solo walk across Afghanistan. That's right, he walked. Many Afghans doubted he would survive the journey. Just weeks after the fall of the Taliban, in the dead of winter, in some of the most remote and difficult terrain in the inhabited world, he went from village to village on foot. Relying on the tradition of hospitality, Stewart found welcome, sustenance, and shelter (mostly, but not always) graciously offered by people who had very little to share.

Stewart, a British Foreign Service officer, (he served in southern Iraq after the Iraq War -- the subject of another good book, "The Prince of the Marshes") and a Harvard professor, relied upon his knowledge of Farsi and Urdu, his understanding of Afghan history and culture, and his own hardy constitution to get him through. The portrayal of Afghanistan that resulted was illuminating and honest. He was unsparing about the deception and cruelty he witnessed, as well as the warmth and fellowship. I recall in particular the vignette about local children throwing stones at a dog for fun. For several years, Stewart lived in Kabul, where he established a charitable foundation seeking to promote local crafts.

So when Stewart raises a yellow flag about our escalating commitment to Afghanistan, we should take notice.

The rationale that President Obama has offered for our ramped-up engagement in Afghanistan, Stewart argues in a piece for the London Review of Books, runs as follows: We cannot permit the Taliban to return to power or they will revive the alliance with al-Qaida and will plot more catastrophic attacks on the United States. In order to defeat the Taliban, we must create a functioning state in the country, and in order to create a functioning state, we must defeat the Taliban. Obama seems keen to increase our role in Afghanistan to highlight the contrast with his predecessor. Bush, Obama ceaselessly repeats, fought "a war of choice" whereas Obama will fight only "a war of necessity."

Obama argues that Afghanistan represents such a war. But does it? In order to achieve the goal of a "stable" Afghanistan, President Obama has deployed (for starters) 17,000 more U.S. troops at a preliminary cost of $5.5 billion. His stated goals for this poor, decentralized, and shell-shocked nation match in ambition and grandiosity the claims that George W. Bush made for a revived Iraq -- but with arguably less foundation. "There are no mass political parties in Afghanistan and the Kabul government lacks the base, strength or legitimacy of the Baghdad government," Stewart writes. There is almost no economic activity in the nation aside from international aid and the drug trade. Stewart notes that while Afghanistan is not a hopeless case, it is not at all clear that it is "the most dangerous place on Earth" as advocates of a massively increased U.S. and British role argue. In fact, neighboring Pakistan, sheltering al-Qaida (including, in all likelihood, bin Laden) and possessing nuclear weapons, represents a far graver threat to our national security. Stewart believes that bin Laden operates out of Pakistan precisely because Pakistan, a more robust state than Afghanistan, restricts U.S. operations. Nor is it clear that Afghanistan poses more of a threat than, say, Somalia or Yemen. Obama promises a "comprehensive approach" that will promote "a more capable and accountable Afghan government ... advance security, opportunity and justice ... (and) develop an economy that isn't dominated by illicit drugs."

This is more than we have the knowledge or ability to accomplish, Stewart argues. As for the necessity, he is unconvinced that the Taliban should loom so large as a threat to the West. He thinks it unlikely that the Taliban will regain control of the entire country (though they do control some provincial capitals). Unlike the situation in 1996, the Afghans now have experience of Taliban rule. "Millions of Afghans disliked their brutality, incompetence and primitive attitudes. The Hazara, Tajik and Uzbek populations are wealthier, more established and more powerful than they were in 1996 and would strongly resist any attempt by the Taliban to occupy their areas." In any case, a more circumscribed foreign role should be sufficient to prevent the revival of terrorist training camps -- as it has since 2001.

One might have thought, listening to the opponents of the Iraq War, that a certain modesty about nation building would be axiomatic among liberals. Instead, we are witnessing something else entirely -- the approach is now brainlessly partisan. Your nation building is a war crime. My nation building is a national security necessity. Stewart's approach is refreshingly impartial and thought provoking.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhodod; monacharen; oef
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To: Future Snake Eater

You are and idiot.


21 posted on 08/21/2009 2:02:46 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: Kaslin

No.


22 posted on 08/21/2009 2:05:22 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Future Snake Eater
From the LA Times a ling time ago

Supplies of highly potent Afghan heroin in the United States are growing so fast that the pure white powder is rapidly overtaking lower-quality Mexican heroin, prompting fears of increased addiction and overdoses.

Heroin-related deaths in Los Angeles County soared from 137 in 2002 to 239 in 2005, a jump of nearly 75% in three years, a period when other factors contributing to overdose deaths remained unchanged, experts said. The jump in deaths was especially prevalent among users older than 40, who lack the resilience to recover from an overdose of unexpectedly strong heroin, according to a study by the county's Office of Health Assessment and Epidemiology.

"The rise of heroin from Afghanistan is our biggest rising threat in the fight against narcotics," said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino. "We are seeing more seizures and more overdoses." -----------

23 posted on 08/21/2009 2:07:11 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: hflynn
You are and idiot.

lol...

24 posted on 08/21/2009 2:22:39 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: hflynn

Think of it as some social Darwinism.

Now, tell me how starving tribes to death is going to solve our problems in Afghanistan?


25 posted on 08/21/2009 2:23:57 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I'm talking about starving the herorin trade. If they happen to starve to death because they couldn't get passed trading heroin that is their doing not ours.
26 posted on 08/21/2009 2:38:34 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Hey, I apologize for that comment. I followed up with an LA Times article, several years old, which clearly stated Afghan heroin is hitting the streets of America big, big time.

I know. it is the LA Times.

27 posted on 08/21/2009 2:42:31 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: hflynn

It’s not like those people can just get a job at the local 7-11 if we cut out their current line of work.

So how will starving them to death accomplish our mission in Afghanistan?

The simple truth is it can’t and it won’t. Much as I can’t stand friggin’ hajis or anything about them, it’s their turf, it’s their country, and they’re gonna have to live with what we leave them. If we leave them nothing, it’s only a matter of time until they hit us again, only this time with many more devout followers.

We have to think harder than “just starve them to death.”


28 posted on 08/21/2009 2:42:53 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I don’t think so. When they are death, because they chose to starve to death, they are no longer a problem. Draining the swamp, like tax cuts, works every time.


29 posted on 08/21/2009 2:45:59 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: Kaslin; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Stewart believes that bin Laden operates out of Pakistan precisely because Pakistan, a more robust state than Afghanistan, restricts U.S. operations.

While Obama restricts operations in Afghanistan.

I submit he is engineering attrition and humiliation of the America he despises.

He is an Islamo-Communist mole.


30 posted on 08/21/2009 2:54:47 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: bert
It is not possible to destroy the radical religionist, they can merely be contained. As long as they have the Islamic fanatic leadership they will have the will and some form of war will continue. There will never be a military victory.

There must be a religious victory from within the Afghan mosques


I agree with what you've said, and I do so as the father of a young Marine in Afghanistan. It's truly a 'Hearts and Minds' type of campaign. We can't change their way of thinking overnight, but we can work to ensure that future generations will not follow the radical Islamofascist types. Unfortunately many Americans don't have the patience for such a campaign. Too many think that wars can be easily won and the victors go home.
31 posted on 08/21/2009 3:01:22 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Jonny foreigner
No one can win anything in Afghanistan.

You should have more faith in our soldiers and our Marines, as well as our NATO allies.
32 posted on 08/21/2009 3:05:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

......Unfortunately many Americans don’t have the patience for such a campaign.......

I don’t think the majority of Americans really think about the war in Afghanistan. The anti war sentiment is mostly the bogus moonbats who oppose war in general. The heat is gone and
there is not the support to take to the streets in adequate force to prevail.

The effort now is “to ensure that future generations will not follow the radical Islamofascist types” as you said. It is a long process


33 posted on 08/21/2009 4:05:55 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: hflynn
This would be a strategic war on drugs rather than tactical war that is doomed to failure.

You might as well have a strategic war on human nature. Look at alcohol prohibition in the USA, or in Muslim countries now. There will always be a black market for human needs, wants and desires.

We should pay them a better price than the Taliban pays for the raw opium. We can sell at cost the raw opium to countries with the ability to make and legitimate need for morphine.

34 posted on 08/21/2009 5:29:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Joe Boucher
"Yes, if we turn the job over to our military and get the hell out of their way and just let them do it."

The reverberation of the Viet Nam lesson!

35 posted on 08/21/2009 8:36:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

exactly


36 posted on 08/22/2009 2:41:06 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: af_vet_rr

You should have more faith in our soldiers and our Marines, as well as our NATO allies.


Oh i do have faith in the troops.
It´s the overall “mission” i have a problem with.
i mean what is the goal in afghanistan?
Because it´s hard to win anything as long as nobody
knows what the Hell “we” are fighting for.
Is it to fight al quaida? (then it´s now the wrong country because they are allready in pakistan). 99% of the people the soldiers kill in afghanistan have nothing to do with al quaida. is it to fight the opium trade? (i guess not because the troops are not allowed to destroy “or most times even visit” the poppy fields). Is it for democracy? (something they don´t know and most of them even don´t want anyway and btw. will get eroded as soon as “our” troops leave). is it to back up corrupt (and believe me they are corrupt to the core) afghan politicians to sometimes act as western puppy. btw. the very limited “power” of this so called government ends at the city limits of Kabul. and if we would not use “our” troops to protect them their influence would not go even this “far”. i could go on and on. this is why i don´t think we can win in afghanistan. it´s because i think there exists nothing in afghanistan which could be won.


37 posted on 08/22/2009 3:54:02 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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