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1 posted on 08/19/2009 12:41:43 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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There is nothing “moral” about politicians stealing the fruits of one man’s labor to buy the votes of those who think others should pay their bills.

Government mandated free stuff for some = bondage for others.


71 posted on 08/19/2009 1:54:40 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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If this passes, it will be interesting to see how he “appeals” to doctors who refuse to accept patients on a “public/government” plan that reimburses them mere pennies on the dollar.


72 posted on 08/19/2009 1:56:03 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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The essence of this program

“... is war...it is the war of the Democrats against the Baby Boom...who have paid into and now are poised to reap the “benefits” of Social Security and Medicare...it is the war of those who created these fraudulent programs ...which have fleeced 45 years of taxes from the Baby Boom..and never intended to grant them the “benefits” they were conned into allowing to be withheld from their paychecks. It is a personal war...because by hastening them to their graves...they intend to fleece their descendants of their estates.”


73 posted on 08/19/2009 1:56:46 PM PDT by mo
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He’ll drag out old Aunt Tamika( really an Acorn or SEIU member), they will cry together and hope people fall for it.


78 posted on 08/19/2009 2:31:29 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Sunday that a public plan isn't the "essential element" of a health bill.


81 posted on 08/19/2009 2:38:48 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Repeat by any means necessary.)
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He’s resorting to begging.

You know, when my kids were little and digging in their heels and challenging me, I could always tell when I was winning because after the negotiating phase, they’d resort to begging.


84 posted on 08/19/2009 2:50:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Right out of the playboook. Show pitiful people without insurance and with serious medical problems and boo frick’n hoo.

Why not provide everyone with life insurance? They could run out poor widows with 5 kids and no way to support them. Boo frick’n hoo.

I'm sorry folks, it won't work on me. Socialism sucks. Obama is putting this country under through debt.

85 posted on 08/19/2009 2:51:38 PM PDT by Gabrial (ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office, the compassion of the IRS, the costs of the Pentagon)
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I don’t care how many sob stories come out I do not want the government handling health care. They already suck at the parts they control now. No Sale.


86 posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:12 PM PDT by linn37 ( "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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Here's a tissue....holder


Because he isn't worth wasting a tissue on...
91 posted on 08/19/2009 3:12:18 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I don't care if Obama was blue, it's his AGENDA & PLAN to destroy America & The Constitution I hate)
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I just heard on Foxnews that Obama has asked pastors to push his agenda from the pulpit. What happened to the left’s belief in separation of church and state?


92 posted on 08/19/2009 3:12:55 PM PDT by imskylark (To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Teddy Roosevelt)
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Someone remind him only 1/3 of the citizens of the United States showed up to vote. 2/3 declined.

That isn’t a mandate. Can’t this administration take a hint?


93 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:54 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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When the sob stories and the stories of those with pre-existing conditions come, remember this.

Someone with $5,000 per month in medical bills, seeking coverage of those medical treatments and services for a cost of $1,000 per month is not seeking insurance, they are seeking charity or welfare. And anything which pays $5,000 a month in return for $1,000 is not providing insurance, they are providing charity or welfare.

Insurance insures against the unknown, based on an actuarial risk assessment.

No homeowners insurance company is going to issue a policy on an already burning house.

This is the fallacy of the argument that medical insurance companies should insure pre-existing condition medical conditions.

Perhaps we need to create a broad health welfare umbrella to assist those with uninsurable pre-existing conditions. It could be funded by a tax on all medical insurance policies, similar to the Algore telephone tax to provide telephone welfare for those who cannot afford telephones.

But let us call it a welfare program, not insurance. If the actuarial cost of medical insurance for a cancer survivor is $2,500 a month, and the government forces the insurance company to provide the policy for $1,000 a month, that does not change the actuarial risk or actuarial cost. It just forces the company to provide $1,500 per month in charity to the cancer survivor.

The government providing medical care welfare for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured is not in and of itself, a bad thing. Sure, it could be abused, but probably less so that other welfare programs.

Beyond that, religious and charitable organizations providing medical care charity for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured would be a very good thing.

95 posted on 08/19/2009 4:25:44 PM PDT by magellan
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Will these be real accounts or their usual fakes peddled before the public under false pretense?


96 posted on 08/19/2009 4:50:48 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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It is difficult to underestimate the moral appeal of a man who has been a total fraud his entire life.


98 posted on 08/19/2009 5:01:40 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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99 posted on 08/19/2009 5:05:02 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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Forget it long legged mack daddy. Rationing healthcare is immoral. I don’t care what preacher you drag out.

Letting our folks die by denying healthcare to them because of price, is just morally wrong.


100 posted on 08/19/2009 5:08:13 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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So, President Obama is going to make “an emotional and moral appeal?” I’m sure it will include many anecdotes about the struggles of various people trying to get insurance, or pay their medical bills. Isn’t it long past time to stop using sad stories to sell abhorrent policies? Because you know what? If your aim is to eliminate all the sad stories, you will never be done “reforming.”

Just to keep in the spirit of things, I have a health care “sad story,” but it’s one I don’t think he can use.

A little over five years ago, my son was diagnosed with brain cancer. He underwent a ten hour, microscope-guided brain surgery. He received six weeks of total brain and spine radiation, followed by 10 months of very intensive chemotherapy. After all of that, his cancer returned. He underwent another surgery, more radiation, a form of chemotherapy that could only be described as savage, and a bone marrow transplant. That did not work either. So he began another, somewhat more experimental therapy that his body simply could not tolerate. We traveled to other cities and states, got him into another clinical trial, and even tried many other, unconventional therapies.

During his five year battle, my son received at least 50 MRI scans, countless physical exams, many gallons of blood transfusions, at least three extended stays in ICU, a couple of near-death experiences, at least seven minor surgeries, and daily handfuls of prescription drugs for many, many months.

Also during this time, I changed jobs twice, and insurance companies four times. We paid our full, annual “out-of-pocket maximum” at least six times in five years. Not everything was covered fully, and we had to pay for a lot of of things in cash, despite being fully insured. I also took several months of unpaid leave from work. The total cost of his care was many hundreds of thousands of dollars, with tens of thousands of that out-of-pocket.

And I would gladly pay it all, and more, again. I would gladly sell everything I own, declare bankruptcy, and spend the rest of my days in debtor’s prison if it meant curing my son’s terrible illness.

But that was never, as it turns out, one of our options. You see, although treatments have become more successful over the years, the sad truth is that there is still no cure for cancer. Despite the best doctors and the best care in the world; despite many treatments and tests our young president might well have deemed “unnecessary,” my son died earlier this year.

In retrospect, I suppose you could say that all of his treatments were “unnecessary.” After all, none of them worked.

Only we don’t live our lives in retrospect; we don’t decide what is necessary, or even what is best, based solely on some oddsmaker’s calculation of the chance of success. As Americans, we expect to make our own free choices on how to spend our money, and how to live our lives. And some choose to honor the sanctity of life, rather than some ephemeral, materialistic notion of the “quality of life.”

My son chose to live his life fighting until the end, never giving up simply because the odds against him were too great, or the treatments too debilitating. Just because he lost his battle does not mean it wasn’t worth fighting - but that is exactly the sort of calculation that Obama seeks to mandate – not to preserve “dignity,” but solely to save money.

To save money.

I am pretty sure Mr. Obama will not use my sad story in one of his speeches. There is not much in my story to sell his idea of “reform.” His reform wouldn’t have helped my son. His reform won’t cure cancer. But that is not why I reject his plan. I don’t expect the President of the United States to cure cancer (although I suspect many of his supporters believe that he could.)

I reject his plan, and the philosophy behind it, because it does not celebrate freedom, does not encourage innovation, does not honor the individual judgment of medical professionals or their patients, and, in the end, because of its singular dedication to saving material resources, is profoundly anti-human.

You may say his plan would have “saved” me some of the money I paid out over the years, and I have no doubt that is true.

But that’s savings I can do without. There are worse things than being broke.


101 posted on 08/19/2009 5:22:52 PM PDT by PhatHead (I'd rather be broke than dead)
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The principal problem in reflecting 0bama’s rhetoric and beliefs back onto him is that there is no image seen.

Get the garlic.


102 posted on 08/19/2009 5:34:50 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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He’s lobbying ‘religious leaders’ to get their support for health care. So much for ‘separation for church and state’, huh? Meanwhile.....people face jail time for saying ‘grace’ at a school ‘function’.


109 posted on 08/19/2009 6:15:23 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('Always love your country — but never trust your government!' ~ Robert Novak (RIP))
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Aha! So that’s why he recently met with The Rapist: Lip biting lessons.


120 posted on 08/20/2009 2:01:53 AM PDT by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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