"Far out!"
Posted on 08/16/2009 11:38:22 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
“450,000 US Doctors Support President Obama Health Care reform.”
Yeah but, 200,000,000 Americans don’t. You do the math.
That wasn’t directed at you.
Pretty good propaganda until this part:
12- QUESTION: How much will this bill cost?
Answer: The CBOs latest estimates the cost to be $1.042 trillion over ten years. Two third (2/3) of the cost will be duly funded by addressing inefficiencies in Medicare and Medicaid, by cracking down hard on fraud, and by eliminating waste and abuse in these programs blah blah blah...
How stupid do you have to be to believe this?
No prob; given that I’m the thread starter and all...
Reminder:
YES WE CAN read the bill online.
About the bill here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3200
Suggested links to read the bill here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200
Believe NOTHING! They keep suckering people in w/decept. Why do they need 1,000 pages+ written by attorneys if it were all so cut and dry.
I thought this part was hilarious, too:
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9- QUESTION: Will all small businesses be forced to provide coverage to their employees?
Answer: The bill exempts small businesses with a payroll of less than $250,000 from the requirement to provide health insurance for their workers. Businesses with payrolls above $250,000 that do not provide coverage will be charged a payroll tax that will gradually increase with the size of their payroll.
The tax will start at a low 2% for payrolls above $250,000 and increase to a maximum cap of 8% for payrolls above $400,000.
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The difference between a $250,000 payroll and a $400,000 payroll is 3 employees making less than $50,000/yr. each. So basically, the tax is 8% on most small businesses that do not pay for their employees’ health insurance.
Question 4 - No, you won’t have to be on the public option if you lose your employer provided coverage...sure you can shop around. However, the bill explicitly states that insurance companies won’t be able to write new policies. Isn’t that correct?
Question 8 - Abortion is specifically not mentioned in the Health Commission Choices legislation...hey, wait a minute. Weren’t we just talking about HR 3200? Nice little sleight of hand there, sneaky snakes.
That wasn’t directed to anybody who has even skimmed over the bill.
Aren’t tuition costs also going up much more than inflation too? Are we going to be forced to “fix” that problem? I mean, you can’t DENY someone a college education....or how about food costs....or cell phone bills? It’s never-ending.
“CASH FOR CODGERS!”
DemocRats, realizing the success of the President’s “Cash For Clunkers” rebate program, have revamped a major portion of their National Health Care Plan.
President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Sen. Reed are expected to make this major announcement at a joint news conference later this week. I have obtained an advanced copy of the proposal which is named....
“CASH FOR CODGERS” and it works like this... Couples wishing to access health care funds in order to pay for the delivery of a child or any woman looking to secure a government paid abortion, will be required to turn in one old person. The amount the government grants them will be fixed according to a sliding scale. Older and more prescription dependent codgers will garner the highest amounts.
Special “Bonuses” will be paid for those submitting codgers in targeted groups, such as smokers, alcohol drinkers, persons 10 pounds over their government prescribed weight, and any member of the Republican Party.
“The bill is not being rushed. It is long o-v-e-r-d-u-e.”
Such BS! Oh, Teddy Roosevelt was working on this so it should be done by now...that is they dumbest statement I’ve ever read. As far as this whole issue goes, it’s new to this presidency and ought to be reviewed for 1-2 years and then voted on. Now that would be reasonable and atleast semi-justifiable. Even if I didn’t agree with the bill that would be passed, I would admit it was more throrough and debated.
Did you notice that “if things are not i m m e d i a t e l y broken (er, fixed) then in ten years “If we do nothing to curb healthcare costs, by 2019 we will be spending one out of every $5 dollars on healthcare.”
$1.00 in $5.00?
Oh. Well, healthcare is now 18% of the US economy, and by 2019 it will “rise” to 20% of the nation’s economy.
And the problem with that is ......
Answer: No. You will always have a choice. If you like your insurance, you can keep it. H.R. 3200 builds on the employer-based coverage we have today. If your employer offers health insurance, you will continue to get your coverage through them.
You will not be able to keep your existing coverage, except in the most limited sense:
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1. [Y1 = first year of ObamaCare]
(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS- Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.
All existing plans will banned from accepting new members. They will be completely frozen. The plans will become unsustainable after a few years and fail. This is by design.
Obama is using a technicality to evade the truth. When he says you can 'keep your existing coverage' he being as truthful as Clinton saying 'I did not have sex with that woman.' (A blow-job isn't intercourse.)
Don't believe DNC talking points. Go to www.thomas.gov and click on “HR 3200” at top of the page in red letters. Click on the link “Text of Legislation”. Read the bill for yourself.
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