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ARLINGTON HAS GRAVE SITUATION
New York Post ^ | August 16, 2009 | JANON FISHER

Posted on 08/16/2009 8:18:33 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

The families of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are being told to wait -- sometimes two months -- until their loved ones can be buried with full honors in Arlington National Cemetery.

The hallowed memorial site, which handles up to 27 burials a day, is so overwhelmed with the bodies of elderly veterans and young soldiers that families are told they'll have to go without full-honors ceremonies if they want a timely burial, according to a spokesman.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: arlington; arlingtoncemetery; burials; military
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1 posted on 08/16/2009 8:18:33 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: SandRat

Ping


2 posted on 08/16/2009 8:24:15 PM PDT by llevrok (As a matter of fact, yes I DO care if Jimmy cracks corn !)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I don’t doubt they are overworked. Anyone who has spent much time in Arlington and watched the way they work cannot help but think they are pressed.

They do a great job, but can be viewed as a bottleneck, and it isn’t their fault. There are simply a lot of veterans, guys like my dad passing on, and I do believe it must be peaking.

I wonder if they will consider any short term measures to deal with this spike.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 8:25:27 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

When I visited Arlington in June, 2007, there were four burials taking place simultaneously, or nearly so, close to the interment wall for my friend, a WW II veteran. I have no idea if others were planned for that day but it sure was busy in the two hours I was there.


4 posted on 08/16/2009 8:27:15 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

A sad situation, to be sure. You have both the WWII/Korean generation dying off at the same time the current theatre had casualties. Is burial at ANC worth that long a wait? Personally, I’d rather be interred alongside family.


5 posted on 08/16/2009 8:28:28 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

One of the comments expands a bit on what the article says:

“I believe that this story requires some measure of clarification:

In January 2009 the Secretary of the Army ordered that all Army Personnel, regardless of rank, should receive full military honors during their burial services at Arlington National Cemetery. However, no additional resourses were added to the Army unit which provides these services at Arlington.”

Out of curiosity, was this a late decision in the Bush administration, or an early decision in the Obama administration? Does anyone know?


6 posted on 08/16/2009 8:29:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rlmorel

For this to happen to our veterans and the families of veterans, this is a national disgrace.

I wonder if anything like this happened during the Bush years beside the Veterans Hospital debacle that is (I doubt it).

All veterans and all veteran organizations should be breathing down the neck of the administration over this until the problem is corrected. If they need to hire more or to commandeer soldiers from other states if necessary to get the job done then so be it but this should not be happening especially to our veterans and our veterans families, not in this country. Not now, not ever.


7 posted on 08/16/2009 8:30:56 PM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
This is a symptom of our military cutbacks. Lots of WW-II and Korean veterans are passing on, and not a few from Vietnam as well, but the military is so cut back compared to what it was, say towards the end of the Reagan administration, there are not enough soldiers to spare, or to volunteer, for honor guard duty. Add in the relatively small numbers of troops being killed in the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and you've got a real shortage of folks to do honor guard duties.

My father in law, who passed about 2 1/2 years ago, was a WW-II USAAF veteran. The Army sent one soldier, they might have sent two, except that his oldest grandson, a newly promoted SFC in the Army Reserve, claimed the honor. He had been a volunteer honor guard in Hawaii when he was on active duty so knew the drill. The American Legion and the VFW, FIL was member of both, each sent one guy, one of them had the electronic bugle/trumpet for "Taps".

8 posted on 08/16/2009 8:32:39 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

My father fought in the Korean War. I’m tempted to show him this article but at the same time it may evoke unpleasant memories and thoughts. My brother took him to DC a few years back and I am told he (dad) broke down at the Korean War memorial. And he is among the least emotional people I have met.


9 posted on 08/16/2009 8:35:28 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09".... um, what happened?)
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To: El Gato

Maybe the need to start calling up the old vets and drafting them into honor guard duty.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 8:35:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

IMHO, those killed in the line of duty should be interred first. If there is any waiting, those retired and separated vets who have died natural deaths should be the ones waiting. And forget RHIP!


11 posted on 08/16/2009 8:38:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
There is also a space problem at Arlington [and other Veterans' Cemeteries].
12 posted on 08/16/2009 8:43:03 PM PDT by Daffynition ("...... we are about to be czarred and fettered." ~ alterum ictum faciam.)
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To: Ev Reeman

I think they should remedy this by giving preference to all Active Duty casualties, and I mean immediate preference.

When my dad was buried, If someone had told my family we would have to delay days, weeks or even months, I think we would readily agree.

This is a peak in activity. There must be a way to remedy this. I did not hear the rules had been changed by the Army in this fashion. I think that was a bad decision. I can’t believe whoever decided on that got signoff from people who understood the dynamics.

I too would be interested in how that decision was made and by whom.


13 posted on 08/16/2009 8:48:31 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
They should have chose another spot for the cemetery instead of the Lee Mansion and grounds by that spiteful drunken Grant.
14 posted on 08/16/2009 8:52:19 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Even before the backlog - vets were receiving a counterfeit service - with many having a recording of taps being played on a digital bugle...

If we can’t even bury our vets with the honors they deserve, then something is very wrong. Hello - how about adding some personnel... Oh, wait - that would take an act of congress...or so one would think.


15 posted on 08/16/2009 8:55:45 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Cheetahcat

They should have chose another spot for the cemetery instead of the Lee Mansion and grounds by that spiteful drunken Grant.

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Get your facts straight ...

It was Quartermaster General Meigs who recommended that Arlington be used as a cemetery.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 9:08:15 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: 12Gauge687
When I visited Arlington in June, 2007, there were four burials taking place simultaneously

When I served with the USAF Honor Guard (1963-1967) We had 3 to 5 burials a day, 5 days a week in Arlington. That was just the USAF, the army, navy, marines and coast guard had their own. All of this before the V.N. war got really hot.

17 posted on 08/16/2009 9:11:49 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: 12Gauge687

I mis spoke (it’s been a long time ago), the average was probably more like 1 -3 per day (USAF)


18 posted on 08/16/2009 9:13:49 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan; All

My grandparents, Dad, and an uncle are buried there ...

I am local and take my Mom all the time to the graves ...

We were there about a month ago and there were at least 6 funerals going simultaneously (3 with full honors - band, horses & catafalque, pall bearers, rifle squad, and trumpeter).

6 at a time is very doable - if you don’t go for full honors (pall bearers, rifle squad, and trumpeter only).

But, if you put the band and horses and catafalque in the mix - you are creating a logistical nightmare ...

Not enuf horses or bands ...


19 posted on 08/16/2009 9:15:43 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56
My last visit, I walked from a hotel in Georgetown to the cemetery, in the middle of February. I wasn't sure of the distance, I just wanted to get there in the couple of days I visited the area.
20 posted on 08/16/2009 9:23:12 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09".... um, what happened?)
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