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Housing Residents Must Stop Worship Services
http://www.wxii12.com/news ^ | 8/13/09 | PAT KIMBROUGH

Posted on 08/13/2009 3:02:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase

HIGH POINT -- Residents of a local public housing facility recently had to cease holding religious services there after officials told them the activities ran afoul of federal regulations.

Worship services by residents of Elm Towers were in violation of U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development rules, which forbid "inherently religious activities" for organizations that receive HUD funds, according to the High Point Housing Authority.

Elm Towers residents had been gathering for years on Sunday mornings and sometimes Wednesday evenings for Christian worship services led by a local minister in a common room on the first floor of the high-rise apartment building on S. Elm Street, according to tenants.

The housing authority learned of the services after other Elm Towers residents complained last month. The agency then put a stop to the services.

"To me, it's stepping on our constitutional rights. You're supposed to be able to worship like you want," said Howard Embler, an Elm Towers resident who sometimes attended the services. "We've got a lot of elderly people here who can't get out on their own to church."

HUD subsidizes the apartments, which are primarily for senior citizens, and forbids religious activities in places like the common area and lobbies of the facility but not inside residents' apartments, according to the housing authority. Officials explained to residents why they took the action they did and gave them copies of the regulations.

"We're not telling residents they cannot have religious activities in their homes, but they cannot hold things in common areas. We understand they would like to do this, but we have to go by regulations," said Rachael Matthews, a spokeswoman for the authority. "We're not saying churches can't come and pick them up and take them to worship or religious services. We don't want to restrict them."

Embler, a three-year Elm Towers resident, said its was his understanding the services had been held for many years prior to his arrival. Residents said the attendance varied, from a handful of participants to larger gatherings.

"We just want to be sure, as in all cases, that we're following HUD regulations to ensure that we do not lose the subsidy for the residents' apartments," said Matthews. "That's of utmost importance."


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bhohud; christians; hud; publichousing; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 08/13/2009 3:02:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Ditto.


2 posted on 08/13/2009 3:04:02 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: greatplains

...and ditto again.


3 posted on 08/13/2009 3:05:24 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Rebelbase

Soon the government will claim that any mortgage held by Fannie Mae means that the government owns the home, and to hold a simple prayer meeting will mean violating church and state laws.


4 posted on 08/13/2009 3:05:56 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Rebelbase

What “organization that receives federal funds” is holding these services? That’s a misreading of the law - but of course we know that this is just the way that Obama’s minions WANT to read the law.


5 posted on 08/13/2009 3:06:20 PM PDT by RightFighter (Sarah Palin - we love you and can't wait to see you again.)
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To: Rebelbase

This is so clear cut, the ACLU should get involved.

What are they going to say next, you have to right to free speech because you’re on Gov’t Property?


6 posted on 08/13/2009 3:06:37 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Angry Mobster)
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To: Rebelbase

Isn’t that private property?

How long before those who get food stamps are banned from going to church or having bibles?


7 posted on 08/13/2009 3:06:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://unitedcitizen.blogspot -Guilty of deviationism- http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: greatplains

The American way isn’t to prohibit religious services in the common area. It is to allow anyone to hold religious services in the common area.

If someone wants to hold a Jewish service, Muslim service, Hindu service, Wicca service, or any service they should be able to.


8 posted on 08/13/2009 3:07:12 PM PDT by Brookhaven (And in their desperation, they turned to a man they fully did not understand--Rise of the Joker)
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To: Rebelbase
"We just want to be sure, as in all cases, that we're following HUD regulations to ensure that we do not lose the subsidy for the residents' apartments," said Matthews. "That's of utmost importance."

Err...not, it's not.

9 posted on 08/13/2009 3:07:12 PM PDT by Allegra ( Socks)
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To: Rebelbase

I guess if you get a Cash 4 Clunkers car you better not go to church in it.


10 posted on 08/13/2009 3:07:28 PM PDT by GeronL (http://unitedcitizen.blogspot -Guilty of deviationism- http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Rebelbase

Just wondering what would happen say if it was a mosque service in progress there ....


11 posted on 08/13/2009 3:07:33 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rebelbase

The Bill of Rights prevents this action.

Stand up and fight it!


12 posted on 08/13/2009 3:07:39 PM PDT by airborne (WAKE UP AMERICA! OR DIE IN YOUR SLEEP!)
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To: Boiling Pots

The ACLU has no problem with the WH snitch line do they? The ACLU doesn’t do what some people think it does.


13 posted on 08/13/2009 3:08:48 PM PDT by GeronL (http://unitedcitizen.blogspot -Guilty of deviationism- http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Rebelbase
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." I think they have a nice lawsuit if someone will take it up for them. As long as no one was forcing anyone to attend, I think what they were doing is perfectly legal. All that said, if you live in public housing, you have pretty much turned your life over to the government to control.
14 posted on 08/13/2009 3:09:54 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Brookhaven

The United States is not a Wiccan nation. It’s a Christian nation.


15 posted on 08/13/2009 3:11:09 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: Rebelbase

“To me, it’s stepping on our constitutional rights. You’re supposed to be able to worship like you want,” said Howard Embler, an Elm Towers resident who sometimes attended the services. “We’ve got a lot of elderly people here who can’t get out on their own to church.”

Yes, we have Freedom of Religion.

WHO is behind this?

Hmmmmm?


16 posted on 08/13/2009 3:11:31 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Rebelbase
Prelude to religious hospitals under public run health system? Will they have to cease church and temple services onsite? Prevent religious people from entering the hospital to comfort people with readings from the Bible or religious songs? I'm 100% certain this will happen over time in a public run health care system.
17 posted on 08/13/2009 3:12:45 PM PDT by SantaLuz
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To: Rebelbase
Prelude to religious hospitals under public run health system? Will they have to cease church and temple services onsite? Prevent religious people from entering the hospital to comfort people with readings from the Bible or religious songs? I'm 100% certain this will happen over time in a public run health care system.
18 posted on 08/13/2009 3:12:45 PM PDT by SantaLuz
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To: Rebelbase

“The housing authority learned of the services after other Elm Towers residents complained last month. The agency then put a stop to the services. “

And just WHO are these resident complaining?

Muslims?

Atheists?

Oboma suppoters?

THIS needs to be highlighted.

Send it to Rush or any conservatives you can think of.


19 posted on 08/13/2009 3:13:07 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Rebelbase

So, the 1st Amendment doesn’t apply on this public property, either.


20 posted on 08/13/2009 3:17:01 PM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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