Posted on 08/12/2009 5:47:25 AM PDT by rhema
This is just sickening. They want people to work their entire life & pay the govt taxes, & then when it comes time to relax & enjoy life after retirement, they want to get rid of you.
Kudos to Sarah for advocating for all of us & our loved ones!
An immoral society refuses to help those it deems not worth supporting. This is the true meaning of evil.
Wasn’t Murkowski’s dad a crook and a enemy of Palin? Didn’t Palin run as a purge against the corrupt politics of Murkowski and her father?
Sorry - wrong thread - or I read something wrong. In either case I need more coffee.......
White House and members of the mainstream media rushed to dismiss Palin's statement as "nuts,"Right. Exactly. Its "nuts" as there is nothing specific in HR 3200 about a 'Death Panel'.
Then again, Hitler and Himmler never put down in writing the plans for 'The final Solution' either. It was all done with a wink and a nod and code speak.
'Death Camps for undesirables', responded Herr Hitler, 'utterly preposterous'!Naturally, he said that in German.
Der Fuhrer and his minions will soon find that people will not go for this, and it is easier to get rid of them - with malice.
book mark
Obama wen ton to explain exactly why the government should not take over healt care by giving the post office a well-deserved trashing. Hoisted by his own petard.
'Death Camps for undesirables', responded Herr Hitler, 'utterly preposterous'!"
Actually, there were the Wannasee Protocols.
There is no question that health care will be rationed based on who has political power.
Palin’s comment on the death panels is completely legitimate, and I give her credit for using a term which would draw attention.
Under the Obama plan, the government will run all healthcare. When I’m old, if I get sick, I will have to apply to some government bureaucrat or board to determine what, when, and where I will get treatment. If they scrutinize my records, and determine my affliction is not worth treating, they will deny me treatment, or authorize some other ineffective treatment. I will not have the option of paying for th2e treatment myself, as the government will control all healthcare in the U.S. There will be no private doctors. They will not have killed me, in a Hitler, gas-oven sense. They’ll just deny me care, if they think I’m not worth saving, and I will die anyway.
Sure sounds like a “death panel” to me.
marking
Here is a clue- this part of the bill describes processes and procedures to OBTAIN life-sustaining treatments. It’s an opt-in, your “coalition of stake holders” acting in accordance with applicable state Law (Like Oregon’s) decide whether you get life-sustaining treatment. What if, at the end of the process, the stakeholders (including you, you have a voice, but the insurance provider has the money and the doctors have the tools) it’s decided that you don’t get the Enabling Order for Life-Sustaining Treatments? Gotta save that 30% end-of-life expense to make universal health care less expensive for all [that are still alive].
1 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
2 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
3 orders, which shall include—
4 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
5 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
6 the individual’s family and the reasons why
7 such an order should be updated periodically as
8 the health of the individual changes;
9 ‘‘(II) the information needed for an indi
10 vidual or legal surrogate to make informed deci
11 sions regarding the completion of such an
12 order; and
13 ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that
14 an individual may use to determine the require
15 ments of the State in which such individual re
16 sides so that the treatment wishes of that indi
17 vidual will be carried out if the individual is un
18 able to communicate those wishes, including re
19 quirements regarding the designation of a sur
20 rogate decisionmaker (also known as a health
21 care proxy).
22 ‘‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement
23 for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
24 furnished in a State—
1 ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been
2 addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining
3 treatment to constitute a set of medical orders
4 respected across all care settings; and
5 ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for or
6 ders for life sustaining treatment described in
7 clause (iii).
8 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health profes
15 sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro
16 fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sus
21taining treatment; and
22 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
23 holders includes representatives from emergency
24 medical services, emergency department physi
25 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa-
1 tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
2 agency responsible for senior services, state de
3 partment of health, state hospital association,
4 home health association, state bar association,
5 and state hospice association.
6 ‘‘(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
7 ‘‘(A) a physician (as defined in subsection
8 (r)(1)); and
9 ‘‘(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assist
10 ant who has the authority under State law to sign
11 orders for life sustaining treatments.
Even for active working people it will be cheap cares at high costs
The Emanuel/Obama approach assumes a world of static resources with no medical progress. The real world situation, up to now, has been that expensive experimental treatments are tried on the rich customers. If they work and are effective, the treatments will be used for more people and the cost comes down. Government control will bring an end to medical progress since the new treatments will be too expensive (and illegal)to use.
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