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Obama and Hitler Compared
controversialpolitics.com ^ | 8/7/09 | controversialpolitics.com

Posted on 08/09/2009 12:03:11 PM PDT by morgc

Democrats manufactured the story that protestors at town hall meetings were carrying Nazi flags. Obama policies seem to be more closely aligned with the policies of Nazism, so a comparison of the two is necessary. Among the key elements of Nazism were Racism, Eugenics, leader principle, Government control of the industry, and of course moral relativism. http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nazism. Those are also the principles of Obama's plan for a "better America" .

The shared connection of racism speaks for itself. Both megalomaniacs, Hitler and Obama, are racists. Hitler, (who possibly was Jewish) hated Jews. Obama who clearly is partially white expressed his personal dislike of whites when, lacking any facts other then race, labeled a white police officer doing his job as "acting stupidly". Race was the only basis for that judgment, making Obama a racist. Furthermore both dictators use race as a basis for policy decisions. Hitler designed the Final Solution to further a policies of eliminating Jews as a race. Obama appointed a Supreme Court Justice who has demonstrated that she uses race as a criteria for judgment rather than the Constitution.

Eugenics, the elimination of the non-useful members of society, is another key feature of the policy of both dictators. Again Hitler used concentration camps See the rest at controversialpolitics.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; godwinslaw; hilter; hitler; liberalfascism; nazi; obama; obamanazism; ods; sameobjectives; third100days
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To: ElectronVolt
Well, so far I'm on a roll.

Don't be too proud of yourself. You are thinking on a very elementary level. You saw what happened to Clinton in 1994 and said, "ah, that will happen to Obama, only worse cause he's not as smart as Clinton". Well, you forgot Heisenberg's principle.

Obama may or may not be as smart as Clinton, but he is definitely a student of history and has a good memory of recent events. He studied Alinsky and taught Alinsky. He remembers full well what happened in 1994, and I can guarantee you that he is planning night and day to prevent it from happening. If he is moving fast now, it is because he has calculated that he can do these things, and still get away with it in 2010 and 2012.

Obama does not take chance with elections. He rigs them. He rigged his election to the Illinois legislature. He rigged his Senate run, in the primary and the general. He and his foreign supporters and his sycophantic press rigged his Presidential run, with outlandishly lapdog coverage and illegal contributions that outspent a lousy GOP candidate by 2 or 3 times. He and his buddies even helped rig it so we got that lousy candidate. When the lousy candidate decided not to just phone it in, but to fight, by naming a conservative to the ticket, he and his minions rigged the coverage of her in order to try to destroy her.

He will examine every house and senate race in the 2010 election. He will try to get illegal aliens to vote (with Clinton's Motor Voter), or make them legal, use ACORN thugs where he can, use fraud in the close elections, use last minute smears, IRS audits, federal money, DOJ investigations, whatever it takes. If he holds Congress, he will repeat that process, only it will make 2010 look like a picnic. 2012 will be all out nuclear war, only one side doesn't believe in using nukes.

After he is re-elected, he will be 100x more arrogant and power mad than he currently is. You will see him go after the high-profile opponents like Rush, Glenn Beck and Fox News. (As I said, the little fish, like you and me and FR can wait til the third term).

There is only one way to stop him and that is to realize NOW that this is coming and throw everything possible at this guy. The first thing that must happen is to stop him, and the thing right now that has to be stopped is health care. Then amnesty for illegal aliens. Then another stimulus. If he keeps getting his way, the perception of his power will give him power.

If his momentum can be halted, then the opposition must nationalize the election of 2010, and coalesce behind a leader or small number of leaders who put forward a plan of action that can galvanize all the GOP and all the (few remaining) moderate Dems, who were too stupid and naive to realize what they were voting for in 2008. If you begin to knock down this guys aura of invinciblity, he will go down in a tidal wave of opposition in 2010. But if a disunited and RINO-led GOP proceeds in its current helter-skelter fashion, it will not be able to take advantage of the potential victory, and will, at best, gain a few seats, but not enough to stop Obama.

That is the reality. You are playing checkers, and you need to think more than one step ahead.

61 posted on 08/09/2009 1:17:16 PM PDT by Defiant (Soetoroastrianism: Thus Spoke Barrythustra.)
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To: gaslucas1
Unless the person being compared to Hitler does an undeniably Hitlerian thing (like threatening to wipe th Jews from the map. See: the President of Iran), ANY, and I mean ANY comparison to Hitler works against the one who is making the comparison and NOT the one being compared

Argumentum ad Hitlerum is quickly becoming a formal entity that describes as childish any person who, in the absence of better reasoning, resorts to comparing someone she hates with Hitler.

Good point. It does come across as silly and childish. If somebody has an argument to make, it's more convincing if they don't automatically reach for Hitler analogies.

One big problem with this "Obama is a racist, Hitler was a racist, Obama equals Hitler" approach is that a lot of Americans in history have been "racists" by today's standards. Were they all Hitlers? That's an awful lot of Hitlers running around. Some of them have even been president.

62 posted on 08/09/2009 1:24:10 PM PDT by x
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To: green pastures

Yep, those are two more that I missed, as well as the private goons that P-Marlowe mentioned.


63 posted on 08/09/2009 1:26:12 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: morgc

I bet that is an easy comparison.


64 posted on 08/09/2009 1:28:40 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I heard the same thing from a German relative 45 years ago.

Every German and every Jew knew it back in the 1920s. They used to sneer at Hitler because of his Jewish grandparent, Schickelgruber. The Three Stooges called him Schickelgruber. Hitler did all he could to wipe out any historical record of his family background (sound familiar?). Psychiatrists have analyzed whether his anti-Semitism was out of a desire to prove how aryan he was. There may be historians who argue that he was not part Jewish, but I have not heard what their argument is. I think it's pretty well established.

65 posted on 08/09/2009 1:30:14 PM PDT by Defiant (Soetoroastrianism: Thus Spoke Barrythustra.)
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To: morgc
Zer0, who really is your Daddy?


66 posted on 08/09/2009 1:31:14 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: x

As I said to gaslucas, no one is saying that Obama will go to the extremes that Hitler did. No one is saying that Obama is Hitler. Comparisons can be made between these two individuals’ view points though and the policy directions that Obama is taking. If this were one thing, where it was say just the nationalization of an automotive company, I would agree with you that it is childish. The problem is though, there are more comparisons that are valid than are not.


67 posted on 08/09/2009 1:32:55 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: Prokopton
Most people of any intelligence are arguing their political positions and philosophies without the need to make reference to Hitler.

Yes, hopefully, the issues are clear and definable, allowing people to make their choices.

68 posted on 08/09/2009 1:33:59 PM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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To: Gaffer

Nope he has his gruppenfurhers:

The rank of Gruppenführer was also used in several other Nazi paramilitary groups, among them the National Socialist Motor Corps (NSKK) and the National Socialist Flyers Corps (NSFK). In 1944, the rank of Gruppenführer was adopted by the Volkssturm as a low level non-commissioned officer position in charge of squad sized formations (Gruppe) of Volkssturm soldiers.


69 posted on 08/09/2009 1:34:05 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Urban legend... with no credible foundation. Of course it had the comfortable side effect for Germans to dissociate themselves from Hitler by linking him to the Jews. 45 years ago more so then today.


70 posted on 08/09/2009 1:34:43 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: morgc
A friend sent this to me several days ago by email. I don't have a source for it but it fits in with this thread. ( I think)

Pretty scary! Ya think??

Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. He has written extensively about narcissism. Interesting view on our new president. Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

"Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white)grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America . The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

71 posted on 08/09/2009 1:36:16 PM PDT by depenzz (Make the best of life, its not a dress rehearsal)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
Working on it.

Amen, brother.

72 posted on 08/09/2009 1:36:59 PM PDT by Defiant (Soetoroastrianism: Thus Spoke Barrythustra.)
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To: morgc

Obama and the Democrats are just like the Germain Nzis of the 1930's
73 posted on 08/09/2009 1:42:19 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: morgc

Bookmark


74 posted on 08/09/2009 1:43:32 PM PDT by mmanager (It is time to prune the tree.)
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To: SJackson
How long before Hussein Obama shuts down Free Republic? How long before Obama/Pelosi concentration camps open to house “dissidents” and “terrorists” like the folks who post on FR?

Shut’s down Wednesday, the camps are ready, they're picking you up on Friday.

Remember to dress warmly and bring only what you can carry. Oh don't forget to bring a shovel.

75 posted on 08/09/2009 1:47:32 PM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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To: jws3sticks

Wow


76 posted on 08/09/2009 1:48:09 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Salamander

Malignant narcissism

Otto Kernberg described malignant narcissism (also known as narcissistic supply) as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and ego-syntonic aggression.

An absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity) are often symptomatic of malignant narcissism. Pollock wrote: “The malignant narcissist is presented as pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty and sadism.”[1] Kernberg claimed that malignant narcissism should be considered part of a spectrum of pathological narcissism, which he saw as ranging from the Cleckley’s antisocial character (today’s psychopath) at the high end of severity, to malignant narcissism, to NPD at the low end.

Kernberg wrote that malignant narcissism can be differentiated from psychopathy because of the malignant narcissists’ capacity to internalize “both aggressive and idealized superego precursors, leading to the idealization of the aggressive, sadistic features of the pathological grandiose self of these patients.” According to Kernberg, the psychopaths’ paranoid stance against external influences makes them unwilling to internalize even the values of the “aggressor,” while malignant narcissists “have the capacity to admire powerful people, and can depend on sadistic and powerful but reliable parental images.”

Malignant narcissists, in contrast to psychopaths, are also said to be capable of developing “some identification with other powerful idealized figures as part of a cohesive ‘gang’ ... which permits at least some loyalty and good object relations to be internalized.” Malignant narcissism is highlighted as a key area when it comes to the study of mass, sexual, and serial murder.


77 posted on 08/09/2009 1:51:20 PM PDT by buffyt (Obama Administration is SO STASI, KGB, Red Chinese, Nazi, North Korean, terroristic!)
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To: Defiant

A president can’t benefit from changing the Constitution while he is in office. He would have to leave office, the Constitution gets rid of term limits through legal channels, then he runs again and never leaves. Unless he just ignores the Constitution, as he has done so far.

Like in Treasure of Sierra Madre
Maybe he will say
“I don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution”


78 posted on 08/09/2009 1:54:45 PM PDT by buffyt (Obama Administration is SO STASI, KGB, Red Chinese, Nazi, North Korean, terroristic!)
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To: Salamander
Interesting read.

Thanks for posting Salamander.

The first time I saw this "One" he was a newly elected US Senator. Instinct told me he was a Farrakhan goon. I might have been wrong about who's goon he was, what I recognized was evil.

79 posted on 08/09/2009 1:58:18 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: SJackson; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; SunkenCiv; dervish; Arizona Carolyn; Liz; Yaelle; LucyT; ...
Yup, America is ripe for Nazism, the only explanation for Obama's election.

A sarcastic statement, but there are some legitimate comparisons to be made between Obama and Hitler's Germany, as there are between Obama's governing ideology and style and those of many other authoritarian regimes. But Obama kept some of his more odious characteristics camouflaged during the last campaign, so the country was lulled into thinking that he represented something that he didn't. Obama's election represented mass denial on the part of his voters, who were too wrapped up in political correctness and not historically astute enough to see what "change" he really represents. In contrast to the Nazis, only a segment of his voters could be described as viscerally hateful. Hopefully, the backlash against his obscene health care plan will be his "Waterloo," as Sen. Jim DeMint suggested. (A comparison to Napoleon.)

80 posted on 08/09/2009 2:00:30 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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