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Sorry, Orly -- Judge Throws Out Fake Kenyan Birth Certificate
Salon ^ | 8/6/09

Posted on 08/06/2009 4:32:02 PM PDT by steve-b

On Saturday, Orly Taitz filed in federal court the forged Kenyan birth certificate for President Obama that she'd discovered. It lasted in the file for less than a week -- on Thursday, a judge ordered the motion that Taitz had submitted stricken from the court record....

In the order, which can be downloaded in PDF form here, the judge says the motion was improperly filed "for the following reasons: Lacks proper notice; improper form and format; Counsel failed to identify her Cal. State Bar No.; description of motion conflicts or differs from that which counsel entered on Court's e-docket."

Taitz could file another motion, accompanied again by the forged birth certificate -- but she'll have to overcome the mistakes she made with this filing, and that might prove difficult. The electronic court record for the case, in which she's representing Alan Keyes, among others, is filled with similar procedural errors on her part.

Not that it would matter anyway -- the document is a proven fake, and the Australian birth certificate on which it was apparently based has already been discovered. Plus, on Thursday an anonymous person came forward claiming to be the source of the forgery, and with evidence to suggest that it was all a hoax, one designed to further discredit the Birthers....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; certifigate; citizenship; eligibility; expunged; hawaii; honolulu; indonesia; ineligible; kenya; kenyanbirthcert; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; orly; orlytaitz; taitz; usurper
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To: Non-Sequitur
Further, we have a bunch of treaties and other operative legal constraints which are based on people acting on Command authority. And although I am not a military lawyer, I believe international law requires troops to actively refuse to act on illegal orders. The Pentagon takes a dim view of soldiers who take it upon themselves to decide what orders are legal and what are not. Just ask Michael New. I don't think the military can live with this state of affairs. They won't have to.

I guess you may not recognize it but that is exactly where they are now under the result in Cook.

Now I suppose you might argue that withdrawing Cook's orders was voluntary on their part--they were faced with a choice of producing evidence of Obama's eligibility to serve or doing something to get rid of the case.

In Cook, counsel left them with the option of stipulating to get rid of the order making the case moot which is what they did.

I might have drafted my prayer for relief a little more broadly but she didn't do that.

But there are a handful of other cases filed since where plaintiff seeks evidence that the Commander in Chief is really the Commander in Chief before Plaintiff is required to obey orders.

I haven't noticed dispositions of any of those cases but an old friend of mine who is a Reserve JAG officer with a very high rank tells me that JAGS are being instructed to stipulate off the objectionable order to get the case dismissed. We did have some discussions about what you might try to plead to keep them from doing that.

241 posted on 08/08/2009 1:10:49 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
I guess you may not recognize it but that is exactly where they are now under the result in Cook.

Sure they are.

Now I suppose you might argue that withdrawing Cook's orders was voluntary on their part--they were faced with a choice of producing evidence of Obama's eligibility to serve or doing something to get rid of the case.

You are assuming that any court martial would allow the defense subpoena anything remotely relating to Obama's birth certificate. Or that Taitz's federal suit would have made it any further than any of the other Birther lawsuits. A very big assumption on your part. IMHO, of course.

But there are a handful of other cases filed since where plaintiff seeks evidence that the Commander in Chief is really the Commander in Chief before Plaintiff is required to obey orders.

And they are?

242 posted on 08/08/2009 1:52:46 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
You are assuming that any court martial would allow the defense subpoena anything remotely relating to Obama's birth certificate. Or that Taitz's federal suit would have made it any further than any of the other Birther lawsuits. A very big assumption on your part. IMHO, of course.

No. That's not the way it works. You're out of bounds again as is often the case.

243 posted on 08/08/2009 2:05:42 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
No. That's not the way it works. You're out of bounds again as is often the case.

Then by all means enlighten me.

244 posted on 08/08/2009 2:08:30 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: El Gato

WND showed several from other areas of Kenya, and none of them looked like each other.
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Do you have that link? I’ve seen one other BC they posted, and no other short forms.
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What’s needed is the same sort of “short form”, (which isn’t as incomplete as Hawaii’s modern version, from ‘64, before December, and from that same region, preferably one reporting a birth in the same hospital.
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Agreed. That sort of contemporaneous documentation would help our understanding here greatly. I’m a little concerned that it’s been a week and we’ve seen nothing of the sort yet.


245 posted on 08/08/2009 5:21:31 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: plain talk

Perhaps you read something I didn’t. My reading was they through the case out for reasons unrelated to whether the document was genuine or not.
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Apparently, the case may still be tried, if the procedural errors are resolved. We’ll see. Not too sure, the way all these cases have gone.

http://obamanotqualified.com/hoax-claims_kenyan-birth-certificate-replies.htm
“Actually, the court found some filing errors of which are being corrected, this is common on court cases, especially regarding eligibility, and the case should still be heard once refiled.”


246 posted on 08/08/2009 5:50:16 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: SeattleBruce
I may have been misremembering, yet another Senior Moment. It may have been other Australian BCs but none from South Australia, and none of those looked like the "Kenyan/SA" ones we have seen. Here is the FR thread with those images.
247 posted on 08/08/2009 7:08:37 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Pentagon takes a dim view of soldiers who take it upon themselves to decide what orders are legal and what are not. Just ask Michael New.

Why then was I required to attend, and later present, briefings on the requirement to disobey unlawful orders? It was a part of our AFROTC curriculum too, IIRC. They did emphasize that one had best be correct about the illegality of the orders, but also that one was responsible for any consequences flowing from obeying an illegal order.

248 posted on 08/08/2009 7:11:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Redwood Bob

Your suggestions are doubtless as worthless and irrelevent as your so called ‘facts’.

Don’t bother replying. You’re a disrupter.


249 posted on 08/08/2009 7:33:16 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: El Gato
Why then was I required to attend, and later present, briefings on the requirement to disobey unlawful orders? It was a part of our AFROTC curriculum too, IIRC. They did emphasize that one had best be correct about the illegality of the orders, but also that one was responsible for any consequences flowing from obeying an illegal order.

I know, I took the same classes in ROTC too. And we had some spirited discussions. The basic rule of thumb he gave us was that if the order violated the UCMJ or the Geneva Convention or our code of conduct then it was probably illegal. Deciding for yourself if the chain of command is legitimate or if the war is legal or if a treaty is valid is not within those parameters. But by all means, go ahead and try. Many have.

250 posted on 08/09/2009 4:58:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ReignOfError
So FR owes Dan Rather an apology?M

meaning what? please explain --

251 posted on 08/09/2009 5:12:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: PaultheMan

If the facts you cite in this post are true, then I have to agree with you. I thought she had the original document, but now it turns out that all she had was a picture, an image from the internet that can be so easily manipulated.


252 posted on 08/09/2009 5:21:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: shield
I thought on the Savage show she talked of returning to Poland with her parents from Israel where she was from originally.

I finally listened to the show.

She clearly said that she was headed with her parents to Kishinev, Moldova.

Savage said something about Poland after this (which I can't replay without listening to the whole show over). Taitz said that where she was going was "very close" to Poland. This is sort of true if you overlook the fact that a big chunk of Ukraine is in the way.

253 posted on 08/09/2009 7:19:57 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
I’m thinking we need a “Mark Levin” type to take this on.

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Yeah, but Mark himself has distanced himself from any invovlement in this. Why is that? Because the birther movement is a mess.

254 posted on 08/09/2009 7:26:31 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: steve-b
I saw her interviewed on TV a few days ago and she did not come off well. She was interrupted repeatedly but her voice was like fingernails on a blackboard. I wanted to hear what she had to say but she really needed someone to speak for her because she never managed to get it out.
255 posted on 08/09/2009 7:31:04 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Uncle Chip
>>>So FR owes Dan Rather an apology?

meaning what? please explain --

If promoting a faked document doesn't undermine someone's credibility, as you suggest, then what did Rather do wrong? Wasn't he the victim?

256 posted on 08/09/2009 7:37:16 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: El Gato

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2308687/posts - other BC images.

That’s a helpful thread El Gato - thanks.


257 posted on 08/09/2009 7:37:42 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: PaultheMan
"So many posters in this thread have asked questions along the lines of: "Why aren't there other conservative lawyers out there who will help Orly or bring similar cases in their own states?" I think the answer is because most competent attorney's realize that it's not much more than a waste of time"

Yeah, that's been Mark Levin's stance from the beginning. And I think he just might be a pretty smart attorney.

258 posted on 08/09/2009 7:37:54 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: Beloved Levinite

Yep, that’s why I said we need a “Mark Levin type,” rather than Levin himself.


259 posted on 08/09/2009 7:56:29 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Uncle Chip
What she submitted to the court was a photograph of the document (taken on the red checked blanket identical to the the "punk'd" post, from the person who claimed to have done the hoaxing). If she had an actual document in hand or even a photocopy of the document, I would presume that she would have submitted it to the court or have shown it on her website.

But that's not what she submitted or has shown. It's always been just the photograph.

I think a lot of people are putting their eggs in Orly Taitz' basket without really taking a look at her competence. Like I said in an earlier post, I've gone on the database of Orange County and the ONLY cases I can find where she was listed as a lawyer are ones where she was representing herself or her husband in a slew of various lawsuits. About half a dozen medical malpractice claims filed against her and 7 or 8 various cases involving contracts and other disputes. Two of the original plaintiffs in the Keyes case have asked her to remove them from the lawsuit.

I can't help but think that there's an awful lot about Orly Taitz that just isn't adding up, or at least not to me.
260 posted on 08/09/2009 9:07:07 AM PDT by PaultheMan
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