See also here :
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/08/think-tank-china-beats-us-in-simulated-taiwan-air-war/
Think Tank: China Beats U.S. in Simulated Taiwan Air War
There wouldn’t be an airwar. I don’t think that there’s any provocation at all that obama would respond to with military force.
[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises
By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009
WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.
The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.
The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."
http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007
CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.
"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.
Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.
The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.
Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005
In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.
The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.
Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.
Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
Taiwan should go nuclear.
China would be wise to wait until “The Divine One’s” new crop of pilots come on line. Once the new “one’s” are in place China will clean our clock.
This is a No s—t report. We send them enough money and give them enough time and they can out manufacture us and out people us on our best day.
The combination of capability and quantity are overwhelming. It should not have taken long to figure that out.
Not much longer.
2012 Mayan Calendar end of the world not too far off.
Interesting, but moot IMHO.
China will control us via holding our debt.
I also bet that the ROC has coastal defense systems that RAND doesn't know about.
Not surprizing, we dont even dominate baseball and basketball anymore.
I bet Abe Lincoln could beat George Washington in bowling too.
Yes, they have many more aircraft...but given them a week of that typoe of loss, and they will lose the air war by default because they will have very little modern aircraft left.
Second, as to the assertion that the Marins do not fly Hornets, this is incorrect. The Marines do fly Hornets off of the decks of nuclear aircraft carriers.
China’s strategy is dependent on several key events.
First and foremost, they need a major fifth column apparatus in Taiwan. This would be set up over the course of many months or even years. It would have a primary branch, that would actively seek to overthrow the civil authorities and military; and a secondary branch to encourage inaction and acceptance.
Second, they need a massive flotilla of ships capable of navigating the rough waters of the Taiwan Strait. This is because, as with the D-Day invasion of Europe, acceptable personnel losses in the crossing would be as high as 90% of personnel, as long as a beachhead was accomplished in the given window of opportunity.
This is because the mission is to quickly occupy the major Taiwanese cities. Once they have done so, China launches a major worldwide diplomatic effort to declare any effort to stop them acts of “aggressive war against China”. Since almost all the nations of the world (and the US) accept that Taiwan is part of China, this is an easy case to make.
By getting enough personnel into the cities of Taiwan, they will be impossible to root out without destroying those cities.
This brings in the third element, which is to by some means to prevent the US Navy from interceding to prevent the invasion. The Chinese military have published a “white paper”, on the subject of an unconventional attack on the US as a distraction. Ideally an attack that would neutralize the only two US Pacific deep water ports, at Bremerton and San Diego. But anything that would distract the US for a few days would do.
The final element would be to use their thousand-odd missiles pointing at Taiwan to neutralize as much of the Taiwanese military as possible. Importantly, with the idea that some of the Taiwanese military will have already been neutralized by the fifth columnists, so that the missiles can be concentrated against the most effective parts remaining.
Got it. The scenario assumes a 4.5 to 1 kill ratio for the F-15. While in reality, across all Air Forces, and all enemies, so far the score is 104 to ZERO. No F-15 air superiority model has ever been shot down,,PERIOD.
I guess the Chicom Peeps Liberation Air Force, with aces like Wong Wei hitting our P-3, these guys will finally be the nemesis of the F-15.
Amazing.