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Will the REAL Obama Kenya Birth Registration please stand up!
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| August 5, 2009
Posted on 08/05/2009 1:43:12 AM PDT by Red Steel
It has been a very exciting few days here. The Birthers are on a roll and the Obots are scrambling.
Today we are all aware that there are some very unscruplous people out there trying to discredit Orlys original document that she filed with the Federal District Court. Her original document was copied from the web and remanufactured a couple of times to give the impression that her original was a fake.
Oops! It looks like the Obots got caught with their pants down on this one.
Rule number one: This is the internet baby! We save things as soon as we download them. Making comparisons is easy if you know where to look.
Forgery number one: 47,O44″ The Obots were laughing when then they joked: 47 years old, Big O, and 44th president.
Wrong: Orlys document actually says 47,644. I have it shown here as negative image so you can see the original document (you have to look close) does say 47,644 and NOT 47,O44.
The next slight of hand from the forgers says E.F. Lavender is a brand of soap in Kenya. Wrong again. The Registrars name is K. F. Lavender.
And finally the BIG hoopla about the Australian Birth Registration from Bomford being the REAL deal and Orlys being the fake. A double wammy on this one. The Bomford document was proven within hours of to be a real amatuer waste of photoshopping skills. The biggest tell-tale on this blooper was the signature in the bottom right corner. It is pretty hard to put the print on top of the signature in real life.
By the way, the so-called Patriots yesterday that couldnt wait to spew their venum by saying Orly is busted are surprisingly quiet today. I wonder how that happened.. Sam?
We visited with Orly yesterday by email. She offered the following explanation about the forgeries. I think the lady is genuinely concerned that people believe she is doing everything in her power to get this document authenticated through the Court system. One thing is for sure, somebody is lying and I think we all know who that somebody is! Mr. President, would you care to comment?
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birth; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; naturalborn; obamanoncitizenissue
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To: Red Steel
All I can say is, Orly Taitz had better watch her backside, never be alone, don’t take any taxis, and put this document in a safe deposit box at the bank. Or she may and/or the document may suffer an unfortunate accident.
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posted on
08/05/2009 3:30:52 AM PDT
by
Old_Grouch
(62 and AARP-free)
To: Red Steel; Born to Conserve; PureSolace; Tempest; Zoe Brain
Because you say the pre printed form has been superimposed over the signature does not make it so. This is simply the process of fading over the years, where the ink would fade at a different rate when written over a non absorbent commercial printer generated typeface. In fact it would be suspicious if the fading had been uniform over those different surfaces.
It is obvious that the ink has faded on the Australian one after 40 odd years and was written with a fountain pen, but the Obama one looks pristine and written with a ballpoint pen, which was considered déclassé in 1964. No Civil Servant of Britain or the ex Colonies at that time would consider signing an official document with a ballpoint pen. They would not even let you take examinations using a ballpoint pen.
Of course the typewritten font was more genuine on the Australian one for that era too.
Just taking a glance at the original it seems to me that it is printed in 8 1/2" by 11" paper, Standard American stock whereas European standard stock is A4, 210 x 297mm a little longer and a little narrower. So I doubt if this is a copy of the actual printed form from Kenya.
The Australian raised seal is off center, readable and initialed which would be normal for a hand stamped document. The other seal on the Obama document is perfectly centered, unreadable and not initialed which would be more likely on a fake.
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:04:46 AM PDT
by
Cardhu
(Be happy, today you will be the youngest you will ever be.)
To: Red Steel
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:50:37 AM PDT
by
Dryman
(Now, Back to Lurking)
To: Cardhu
Seal and signature of the original:
Seal perfectly centered unreadable and no initials. Signature with a ball point pen no fading after 45 years
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:54:24 AM PDT
by
Cardhu
(Be happy, today you will be the youngest you will ever be.)
To: Red Steel
I want to go back to my reaction to the original posting of the "birth certificate." I welcome anything that puts the heat on Obama; however, I neither JUMP to authenticate anything OR JUMP to call anything a hoax. Each potential piece of evidence should be thoroughly analysed and authenticated as we find it. We are in no hurry. I discouraged anyone making snap judgments in either direction.
When the dates of the Republic were said to be December 1964 several people made snap judgments that the document was a hoax. Not so fast, let's make sure of what we know. When the document first came out, people were excited and want to accept it as real. Not so fast, let the evidence take you where it will.
Understand, it does not discredit us to have a hoax foisted upon us. It discredits us when we try to take each hoax and declare it real before we do the work to authenticate it. Slow and steady wins the race.
Two things I think we should remember: Ms. Taitz and Alan Keys are not a flakes, they are intelligent people. I don't expect them to put a document from just any source before the federal court and ask for these sorts of extraordinary measures. Secondly, we have time on our side and we don't need to make fools of ourselves by calling real or hoax prematurely. We are going to go through a lot of hoaxes before we get to the smoking gun. I do believe the smoking gun is out there though because if it weren't they would just show us the birth certificate and tell us to go away.
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posted on
08/05/2009 5:13:07 AM PDT
by
politicalmerc
(If Birthers are so silly, then why not show the BC and put them to shame?)
To: politicalmerc; Red Steel
Understand, it does not discredit us to have a hoax foisted upon us. It discredits us when we try to take each hoax and declare it real before we do the work to authenticate it. Slow and steady wins the race.
Two things I think we should remember: Ms. Taitz and Alan Keys are not a flakes, they are intelligent people. I don't expect them to put a document from just any source before the federal court and ask for these sorts of extraordinary measures.
Secondly, we have time on our side and we don't need to make fools of ourselves by calling real or hoax prematurely. We are going to go through a lot of hoaxes before we get to the smoking gun. I do believe the smoking gun is out there though because if it weren't they would just show us the birth certificate and tell us to go away.
Bears repeating.
I have such respect for Orly Taitz and Alan Keyes for not backing down.
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posted on
08/05/2009 5:58:43 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: SatinDoll
Read closely what she says. She is not spending any time or money on this issue and believes the onus is on 0 to disprove the authenticity of her document.
This won’t go anywhere unless it’s tested in the courts.
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posted on
08/05/2009 6:07:51 AM PDT
by
balls
("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
To: Zoe Brain
I was in Mombassa in 1966 and remember they accepted either East African or British currency (I always asked for British change to avoid accumulating coins that could not be exchanged in the UK). I am not surprised to see 7s. 6d. on the form instead of 7.50 since decimalization was very slow arriving in the ex-colonies and 6d was still in common usage.
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posted on
08/05/2009 6:21:01 AM PDT
by
balls
("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
To: balls
She admitted last week that she is about $10,000 in debt working on the Obama cases. I believe she makes her living as a dentist, not as a lawyer.
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posted on
08/05/2009 6:24:10 AM PDT
by
SatinDoll
(NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
To: Red Steel
Don’t know if this Kenyan BC is real or faked. We’ll see what the courts say after authentication efforts and processes.
What I do know is that it is incredibly easy to fabricate a “birth certificate” that, at the very least, gives the appearance of being genuine.
So, with all the gyrations the left is making to “prove” that the Kenyan BC is fake, they’re simultaneously proving that any BC can be faked, including but especially the Hawaiian BC that’s been on the web since last year.
All this does for me is reinforce the need for BHO to authorize the release of the full, long-form BC from Hawaii.
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posted on
08/05/2009 6:28:30 AM PDT
by
Be Free
(Liberalism is a disease.)
To: balls
Actually, 7s. 6d. would be closer .35 cents under decimalization.
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posted on
08/05/2009 6:41:07 AM PDT
by
balls
("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
To: balls
The Currency in Kenya since 1921 has been in Shillings and CENTS. It’s never used the L s d system. Nor the L p one that was introduced in the UK in 1968, and formally adopted in the early 70’s. This isn’t a matter of a legacy form.
A brief monetary history:
* Indian currency, till 1905
* British East Africa Rupee = (Indian Rupee) = 100 Cents, till 1920
* British East Africa Florin = (Rupee) = 100 Cents, 1920-1921
* British East Africa Shilling = (1/2 Florin) = 100 Cents, 1921-1966
* Kenya Shilling = (East Africa Shilling) = 100 Cents, from 1966
Having an official government document only priced in a foreign currency would be.... eccentric.
Having the position of the foreign currency price coincidentally being exactly the same as on a South Australian (but not New South Wales, or Queensland, or Victorian) Birth Certificate (all of which having the same Australian standard data, but differ in minor ways in format) would be... improbable.
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posted on
08/05/2009 9:17:15 AM PDT
by
Zoe Brain
(Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
To: Zoe Brain
I remember using both British and East Africa coins in Mombassa as I mentioned. Sterling may not have been the national currency but it was accepted.
I’ll defer to you on the BC though and conclude with your logic it must be fake based on the price marking alone.
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posted on
08/05/2009 9:58:37 AM PDT
by
balls
("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
To: Zoe Brain
Zoe Brain...Good work ! Did you confirm what the “6d” stands for in Australian currency ? I didn’t see a reference on that. I only saw that you commented that the Kenyan currency should be “7s 6c”. What does the “6d” translate to in Autralian currency ? Please reply. Thx
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posted on
08/05/2009 11:12:59 AM PDT
by
rocco55
To: rocco55
I’m Australian.
We had pounds, shillings and pence until 14th February 1966.
“.After federation in 1901, when Australia became an independent nation, the federal government became responsible for the currency. The Australian Notes Act was passed in 1910. In 1913 the first series of Australian notes was issued, based on the old British system of 12 pence to a shilling, 20 shillings to a pound.”
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:08:44 PM PDT
by
Zoe Brain
(Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
To: rocco55
Pounds Shillings and Pence, traditionally written as L s d.
That comes from Librae, solidi, and denarii.
Roman currency. A holdover from before the legions left. £ is a stylised L.
Wiki's pretty good on the subject - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/£sd
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:17:47 PM PDT
by
Zoe Brain
(Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
To: Zoe Brain
In order to believe that the Kenyan document is genuine, you have to accept that:
- Kenya coincidentally used the same data format as adopted by all Australian states, but not Canada, New Zealand, the UK etc or any other Commonwealth country. Same data, same order of data, the works.
- That Kenya used a printed form with the format exactly the same as a purported South Australia birth certificate, and which differs in minor details from verified Victorian, New South Wales, and Queensland BCs,which use the same Australian standard data.
- That Kenya priced their BC is a foreign currency, and put the price (in Australian pounds) in exactly the same place as on the purported South Australian BC.
A price of a supposed "US" Government document marked only in pesos, rather than dollars, and with the price in exactly the same place as a purported Mexican Government document that looks identical apart from the crest, would be equally improbable.
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:56:34 PM PDT
by
Zoe Brain
(Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
To: Red Steel
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posted on
08/05/2009 4:59:54 PM PDT
by
steve-b
(Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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