Do you think there was a conspiracy going back to 1961 to falsify his actual birth location?
conspiracy as in “oh gee barry is going to run for US President some day so let’s falsify his birth” ? No and to try to imply that is what people are saying is silly.
BUT a conspiracy to make sure barry is considered a US Citizen>
yes that is likely.
Of course your boy barry could make this all go away couldn’t he?
And here's the thing. The COLB may well not have been based on an actual birth in Hawaii. It required no independent witnesses. It may well have been fraudulently created in an attempt to claim American citizenship for the young Obama, who was quite possibly living in Mombasa at the time.
American citizenship was valuable in 1961, just as it is now. Some people abused the woefully lax Hawaiian registration workflow in an attempt to steal citizenship. Claim a birth at home, avoid getting a signature from an independent observer. It's not a full birth certificate, but it might be good enough for some official uses.
Obama’s mother wouldn’t have had to be in HI to set up a COLB: she had relatives in Hawaii at the time.
Hope this is helpful.
There are many reasons that Obama’s mother or grandparents would have wanted to make sure that Obama was considered a citizen of this great country. This argument of yours is a strawman cooked up by the left. Nice try.
So: the announcements in the papers were batch-created from a batch of COLBs, one of which was about Obama. The announcements are best thought of as fingerprints indicating the presence of a COLB.
Now of course the newspaper announcements also listed addresses: these details do not appear on the COLB. Evidently there was subsidiary workflow: either a long form B/C or - as I believe in Obama’s case - the details were given on the request-for-a-COLB.
I don’t know how COLBs were requested in HI, and I doubt the request form(s) would have survived. They have no statutory significance. But that’s what I think happened: a COLB was requested and created fraudulently with little or no oversight from the HI authorities.
This is why the LFCOLB (long-form COLB, my acronym) is so important: if one existed it would have signatories from independent observers, doctors etc, not just dubious assertions from family members made over the counter at a Health center. Obama needs an LFCOLB to prove birth in Hawaii.
Who lived at that address shown in his newspaper birth annnouncement? Not his family.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851
The newspaper birth annoucement consists of a Obama campaign-linked website image of a microfichure frame - and appeared 40 days after the true resident of that property died.
Just sayin.
Do you think there was a conspiracy going back to 1961 to falsify his actual birth location?
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Yeppers...
It started with Granny Toots lying on the birth registration form...
Probably to assure that Ann could get free schooling, bennies etc for her “American” baby Barrack
In 1961, illegal aliens and immigrants did not get bennies from the US govt...
That didnt even happen in 1971...
In 1971 it was against the law for immigrants to even APPLY for handouts...
YES, there were many, many reasons for Obama to be “registered” at a Hawaii hospital, even if not born in Hawaii.
BTW, why can't Obama even be sure WHICH hospital he was born in? Check the records, yourself.
The Obama camp has been all over the map, on that one!
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I wonder if you are looking at 1961 Hawaii through high tech 2009 eyes.
1. For instance, I bet that you quickly assumed that all birth certificates that were received by the Hawaii birth certificate agency ONLY came from hospitals scattered throughout the many islands of Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
2. But what about this possibility: Not all births listed in the newspaper OCCURRED in a hospital?
3. Remember, way back in 1961, Hawaii---working under a lot of pressure because it was in the middle of going from a territory in the middle in the Pacific Ocean to a new state in The United States of America--- had to come up with some creative ideas on how to quickly integrate its large illegal and legal Asian immigrants into this new State of Hawaii, a population who worked mostly in the many pineapple fields spread throughout the many Hawaiian islands.
4. One plan was this: Hawaii allowed parents to mail in birth certificates if the baby was NOT born in a hospital or under the care of a doctor or midwife in order to make the integration of the large legal and illegal Asian population into the new State of Hawaii a lot easier?
This mail in birth certificate rule may have even been in place before Hawaii attained statehood.
5. That is what happened to many births in that time period.
6. It went something like this: A parent filled out a baby's birth certificate at home and then sent it to the Hawaii birth certificate agency, where it was mixed in with births that did occur in hospitals---remember, there is no hospital listing for Obama's birth---and sent it on to the newspaper.
NOTE: Some people in other messages on the internet argue that only births that occurred in hospitals were listed in the newspaper, but we can't be sure unless we see Obama's long form birth certificate in order to check if a doctor signature and/or a hospital name are on it.
7. That is one reason why we need to see Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate: If no doctor signature or hospital name is on it, then we know that Obama was not born in a hospital in Hawaii, and we are then faced with the question of where was Obama born if not in a Hawaii hospital.
There need not be a conspiracy that goes back that far. Just the willingness to utilize actions taken by people involved for contemporaneous reasons. The term "anchor baby" came about because of the value of being born in the US.
Is this the announcement to which you refer ?
http://storyarc.squarespace.com/obama-birth-announcement/