Kenya BC a fraud? Template of forgery found?

freerepublic.com ^ | August 3, 2009 | don-o

[don-o]

Document from Australia

Document from Kenya

[faucetman]

I agree, one of them is a fake. same book & page number in two different countries? impossible. IF Kenyan BC is real, Obama would have had lots of time to produce the Aussie one to make the Kenyan one look to be a fake. Don’t just accept this Bombard BC without alot of research

[Dajjal]

obumpa

[radical_troll]

The certificate fee 7s 6d is correct for Australia and WRONG for Kenya. Kenya used the shilling divided into 100 cents. (You can find Kenyan stamps from 1963/64 with Google, denominated 50c, etc.)

Sorry guys, no silver bullet.

[Tawiskaro]

I think the Australian BC looks legit. If it is not, someone took great pains to make it look so. The printer is easily found with a bit of Googling; the printer is missing from the purported Obama certificate. There's also the business of Dominion vs. Republic, but I wouldn't know how to prove or disprove one way or another without a lot of time at the library.

I do know a bit about image manipulation. I am not an expert, by any means, and I have never tried falsifying a document, but I figure I could reproduce the purported BC. It would take time, though. In a few minutes I was able to produce a couple of minor changes that suggest I could modify the Australian BC:



Notice that I changed the book and page number, and began tinkering with constructing the "Coast Province of Kenya" phrase. That stopped me because I found that there was no upper case "K" in the document to copy and massage into place. Any attempt to create that "K" would be tedious and, unless expertly done, would stick out like Obama's ears.

It would be much easier to find a similar font and write the text as desired, then drop it in a layer over the template. Simply by resizing and playing with the DPI settings, it would be easy to reproduce the JPEG compression artifacts seen around the other text.

To create the bogus BC I'd make a template of the underlying government form with a similar font using Microsoft Word or a desktop publishing software application. I'd convert that to an image and drop in the text copied and assembled from the Australian BC. Finally, I'd print it, fold it, put it in my back pocket for a while, then unfold it and repeat as necessary. When I was satisfied with the result, I'd photograph it, not scan it. I'd make sure I shot it with a bit of perspective to mask any imperfections. There’s a reason we don’t see a simple scan like the Australian BC.

Why bother assembling the typewritten text like a ransom note from an old movie rather than just using a font substitution? I would do it because a substitute font might be easily recognized. One reason I think someone did assemble the text from the available typewritten characters is because the uppercase components of the deputy registrar's names are so similar: "YOUNG" and "ODUYA". The "D" is easily copied from "Douglas" and the "A" bears a distinct slant to the left that jars with the "ODUY". I don't see a similar "A" elsewhere in the Australian document, so it may just be sloppiness in skewing the character.

I cannot explain why someone who would use an Australian BC as a template would leave any significant elements unchanged. Perhaps the culprit used OCR (optical character recognition) to collect the text, then forgot to change it. I’ve done that sort of thing.

That’s as far as my eyes and thinking take me for now. Fwiw.

[Kevmo]

Someone posting right up yer alley.

[FTJM]

This is posted on the gen site now:

"“10d I0543 David Jeffrey Bomford, b 10 April 1959 at Adelaide, m 28 Nov 1981 at Somerton Park, South Australia I0546 Amanda Jane Sandover, b 1959, and had issue [an image of David’s birth certificate has been removed from the website temporarily as at 4 August 2009 as the site has a limited download capacity. See http://washingtonindependent.com/53658/is-this-the-source-of-the-forged-kenyan-birth-certificate]";"

[Bikkuri]

To: don-o Of course it’s a forgery. Only a moron would latch on to this crap. 29 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:39:30 AM by FreepShop1

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To: FreepShop1 ....of course its a forgery... Finally, a voice of reason instead of people tying themselves in knots trying to prove this crapola is real. Thanks to FreepShop1 40 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:57:56 AM by mono

Hmm... 2 posters, 11 posts apart, one backing the other and they are both 2008-10-28

Something doesn't seem right...

[little jeremiah]

Check mono’s recent comments; I haven’t had time to check out more than a few. Here’s one s/he made to me earlier:

I’d say an embed obot.

mono - who did you vote for?

little jeremiah
Just reported on twitter, Rove says Kenyan birth certificate a likely forgery.

1) No Coast General Hospital at the time.
2) Kenya a dominion not republic at time.
3) Mombosa considered to be in Zanzibar not Kenya at time.
4) #47044 47 = O age, O = Obama, 44 = 44th Prez
5) and more.

952 posted on Monday, August 03, 2009 1:05:50 PM by mono
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[Kevmo]

I think I’ll lurk for a while, and let the professionals do their job. I don’t have as much time to dive in as I once did.

[sonic109]

I’ve been saying the same thing all weekend. It;s all a distraction and people are being useful idiots , tools, for the left by going mental every time someone post yet another “REAL THING “on line. Give it up already geeeez.
99 people this afternoon were arguing about the size of staple holes in Kenya in 1964..It’s insane .
We now have some on the left who may change sides. They are seeing what this Marxist bastard is really about. We;re going to chase them away by allowing ourselves to be the fools over this birth certificate bull.

[little jeremiah]

Hmm - radical troll signs up today. I never did get to the bottom of the shillings/pence/cents Kenyan vs Australian money thing.

But this radical troll person is very, very suspect.

[Marie]

Let’s not jump to conclusions, alright? JR is aware of the situation and I’m sure he’ll take care of it if we have a troll.

But let’s back off just in case these two posters are legit.

I remember how it felt to be attacked as a troll a time or two over misunderstandings.

[little jeremiah]

And this is little radical troll’s one and only comment!

haha!

[Marie]

“But this radical troll person is very, very suspect.”

So hit the “abuse” button and report it. :-)

[little jeremiah]

I won’t bug you, then.

I don’t have time either, just stealin’ it tonight!

[sonic109]

WND is about as reliable as the National Enquirer

[cynwoody]

Good analysis.

The biggest flaw in the forgery is the book / page reference. But it's only a flaw if the original is found, as it has been. The forger found the Aussie BC, decided it was a good template, but then got lazy, figuring that his template was too obscure to be found by debunkers.

Of course, forgeries have a limited lifetime. The forger had to know that, if his work was any good, it would lead to a check of the actual government records, at which time it would be unmasked, no matter how good a job he did on the details. So, maybe it was late, and he just decided hacking the book / page wasn't worth the extra effort.

All in all, he had a much better than average run.

[PA Engineer]

This was an astroturf job. See my alexa post over here. Adds an entire new dimension to what is going on. There are only a total of six sites linked to this forum created in Jan. of 2009. What is going on I have no idea. I will just keep plugging away and begin to keep my cards close. I really wish we had a private back room. Being public they know our every move and can play us like a fiddle.

[little jeremiah]

radical troll is no more.

[GLDNGUN]

We’ve been looking at the lettering and folds. Some people had a problem with the lettering and folds, but I didn’t see a problem, although I was focusing on the “typed” text.

Something kept drawing my eyes toward the paragraph at the bottom of both documents. The part that states, “I, XXX, Deputy Registrar of Births, Deaths”, etc. They do NOT match between the Kenyan and Aussie docs. The wording is the same except for the location but the justification does not match. I’m not sure if that matters, but that’s what I kept looking at for some reason.

Then I remembered that making a negative of an image can sometimes reveal a lot more detail. Think “Shroud of Turin”. So, I downloaded the Aussie BC to my desktop, opened the image in Paint (of all things), reversed the image, and looked at that bottom paragraph.

There it became glaringly obvious to me that the text is simply superimposed over an image of a folded piece of paper.

I highly recommend you try the same. Look at the entire image “reversed”, especially the bottom paragraph and how the entire text just goes right across the creases without any alteration. It’s almost comical.

Perhaps someone can post a “negative” of the Aussie BC for all to see what I’m talking about.