A problem with both versions: Mombassa was not part of Kenya in 1961, it was part of Zanzibar until 1964. So a birth in Mombassa in 1961 would not have been listed on a Kenyan birth certificate.
That has already been extensively dealt with. The coastal zone was in effect "leased" to Kenya. When the copy was made in 64, the clerk person transferring the info would have most likely have put Kenya, since that area was part of Kenya at that time.
That has been discussed time and again here. And been debunked.
Not true exactly
Mombasa was part of a British Protectorate and changed hands to Kenya, it’s was always a semi-disputed zone prior to that. The B/C was requested when Mombasa was part of Kenya and would appear on official Kenyan government papers.
As a side note, my Grandfather was born in Romania, a part that after WWII became Austria. We have his original immigration records showing the town in Austria but they didn’t give birth certificates back then.
Decades later Grandpa needed his B/C for something (can’t remember) but we contact the Romanian Embassy who had us contact Austria. When we finally receive his B/C is said he was born in Austria.
Changes of country can take place especially when you’re talking about a 3rd world country or a country who went through major upheaval in it’s history.
A History of the Coast The Kenyan coast developed differently from the interior due to its exposure to the Indian Ocean sphere of exploration and trade. Over the course of the first millennium, a separate Bantu language and culture, which came to be known as Swahili, developed along the East African coast. This development was strongly influenced by contact with Arabs from the Persian Gulf, who traded, settled, and intermarried with the coastal Africans. By the 9th century the Swahili-speaking people had established a number of towns between present-day Somalia and Mozambique, including Mombasa, Lamu, and Pate in what is now Kenya. These towns became important trade centers, facilitating commerce between residents of the Kenyan interior and seafaring traders from Arabia, Persia, India, and elsewhere on the Indian Ocean. The main exports from these Swahili towns were ivory, slaves, and timber and other raw materials. By the 12th century many of the Swahili inhabitants of the towns had adopted Islam. Some towns, such as Mombasa, grew wealthy, gaining control of coastal and inland territory and developing into city-states. A number of these Swahili city-states dotted the Kenyan coast by the time the Portuguese arrived at the start of the 16th century.
Although the boundaries of the British protectorate were set, the British actually controlled little more than the Kenyan coast at the beginning of the 20th century. The British conquest of the Kenyan interior was gradual and incremental, taking second place to Britain’s construction of a railway connecting Mombasa with Lake Victoria. The railway was completed in 1901. In 1902 Britain decided to merge Uganda’s Eastern Province with the East Africa Protectorate; thus the Lake Victoria basin and the western highlands became part of Kenya. By 1908 the British administration had brought the southern half of present-day Kenya under its control. Northern Kenya, then inhabited largely by nomadic peoples, did not come under British authority until well after World War I (1914-1918).
I have seen that several times. Mombassa is in an area called the Coastal Section which was part of Zanzibar. The inhabitants of the area were related to the people in Kenya and intended to be part of the entity the Brits carved out as Kenya.
In October, 1963, an agreement was entered into between Zanzibar and the Coastal area pursuant to which Zanzibar released any claim to the Coastal area and consented that it would become part of the Republic of Kenya at which point all local governmental agencies and titles immediately retitled themselves "Republic of Kenya" in order to memoralize the agreement.
One thing I do not know is how the "Provence" was attached to the Coastal area--was it a provence in the civil colonial administration of the Brits? I believe the correct title of the Hospital was the Coastal Provencial General Hospital--on the certificate it is removed--I assume because the Coastal area was a Provence of Zanzibar. Someone ought to make a point of looking that up.
Again, I assume Mr. Farrah has considered that and addressed the issue. Someone might want to forward him this post.
“A problem with both versions: Mombassa was not part of Kenya in 1961, it was part of Zanzibar until 1964. So a birth in Mombassa in 1961 would not have been listed on a Kenyan birth certificate.”
Actually, from the research I did yesterday, citizenship in Kenya is determined by the father. If the daddy is a Kenyan, the kid is a Kenyan. It doesn’t matter where the kid is born.
First of all, your post is suspiciously off-topic so early in the thread.
Secondly, the Zanzibar issue has been thoroughly resolved on the main thread.
It would have been entirely correct for a birth in Mombassa to have been recorded by Kenyan officials. It was de facto Kenyan territory at the time, and had been for generations, although still technically owned by Zanzibar.
“A problem with both versions: Mombassa was not part of Kenya in 1961, it was part of Zanzibar until 1964. So a birth in Mombassa in 1961 would not have been listed on a Kenyan birth certificate.”
Actually, the document was issued on 17 Feb 1964. Mombasa on the otherhand was ceded to Kenya on 12 Dec 1963.
So it is very possible for a birth in Mombasa to be listed on a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate post incorporation.
The cert was requested & issued in 1964.