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To: SeattleBruce
"imho, the SCOTUS has not made a definitive statement about this, perhaps because it’s never come up in quite this way."

Yes, you're exactly right. There have been other cases that have touched on the issue in a peripheral way, but never one that addressed this central issue directly. Ark v. US, comes closest. And, I think it can be fairly said that the majority opinion in that case does go quite a long way in narrowing or clarifying what "natural-born" actually means. And, in their definition, Obama would be eligible. But, they don't go all the way.

As I said to another poster on this thread. It's my opinion that Obama doesn't qualify (assuming he's born in the States), but I could argue the position that he does with equal force and perhaps even more substantiation in case law. But, as the framers wrote and intended, I don't believe he qualifies. Unfortunately, that standard is not always the law of the land.

902 posted on 08/03/2009 11:07:56 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand

Ark v. US, comes closest. And, I think it can be fairly said that the majority opinion in that case does go quite a long way in narrowing or clarifying what “natural-born” actually means. And, in their definition, Obama would be eligible. But, they don’t go all the way.
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I must confess, I haven’t read that case closely. Do you think Bammy would be eligible if had one citizen parent and were born in Kenya?
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“But, as the framers wrote and intended, I don’t believe he qualifies. Unfortunately, that standard is not always the law of the land.”
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Right, that argument won’t fly in the current ‘court of public opinion.’

What’s interesting are two things:
1) The liberals insane reaction to this, while having personal doubts.
2) The evident coverup of so much of Bammy’s life to include:
his long copy birth certificate
his kindergarten records,
his Punahou school records,
his Occidental College records,
his Columbia University records,
his Columbia thesis,
his Harvard Law School records,
his Harvard Law Review articles,
his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago,
his passport,
his medical records,
his files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
his Illinois State Bar Association records,
any baptism records, and
his adoption records.

One good to come out of all this. The potential clarification of natural-born citizenship status for future, if not for now. Not giving up on this yet, but I tend to agree, that in the current environment, that may be the only fruit out of this, aside from condounding liberals - who are forced to defend obfuscation and mendacity.


927 posted on 08/03/2009 11:55:07 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: OldDeckHand

On the contrary, Wong Kim Ark, 1898 cannot have any bearing on Barack Hussein Obama Jr.’s circumstance except in regard to the possibility of his mother conveying U.S. citizenship, IF she had been 19 years of age at the birth of her child. Wong Kim Ark, 1898 does nothing whatsoever in regard to the Constitution’s unique requirement for the definition of a “natural born citizen” as John Jay obtained the usage from Vattel and the previous two thousand years of history in France and the rest of Continental Europe. Attempts by Obama supporters to apply English-British common-law to an interpretation of the Constitution is a red herring. Upon declaring their independence from Britain, the States began to enact their own citizenship statutes and judicial decisions in replacement and overruling the English-British common-law they fought a Revoultionary War to overthrow.

The only interpretation of the Constitution which can possibly preserve the clearly stated intent of John Jay and the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitutional clause is one in which any person who is born with an allegiance to a foreign sovereign, dual allegiance or not, cannot serve as Commander-in-Chief of the United States in the Office of the President.

Barack Husseing has already publicly acknowledged he was born with a natural born allegiance to the sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.


928 posted on 08/03/2009 11:56:30 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: OldDeckHand

Ah, but the real problem lies in the fact that the real reason he will not release his records, is because he either lied to get funding for college as a “foreign student”...or to become President. Either way, he has broken the law.

There needs to be an investigation by the FBI before her infiltrates that organisation completely.


931 posted on 08/03/2009 12:06:55 PM PDT by tuckrdout ("Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson)
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