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Big Texas bank on verge of failure [Guaranty, $13.4B assets] [FDIC only has $1.8B left?!]
Fortune / CNN Money ^ | 2009-07-31

Posted on 07/31/2009 12:37:47 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Guaranty Bank is hardly a household name. But the Austin, Texas-based thrift's looming failure is shaping up as a big headache for bank supervisors -- not to mention a black eye for Carl Icahn and others in the smart money set.

Guaranty (GFG) could be soon seized by the government in what would be the biggest bank failure in a year that has already had 64 of them. Last week, the bank warned investors to expect a federal takeover after regulators forced a writedown of its risky mortgage investments and a bid to raise new capital failed.

Guaranty has $13.4 billion in assets and operates 160 branches in Texas and California -- two of the three best banking markets in the nation, thanks to their size and population growth.

. . . . .

A big tab on Guaranty would be costly to the deposit fund, whose balance was $13 billion at the end of the first quarter. The FDIC has estimated failure costs on cases since then at $11.2 billion.

A spokesman for the FDIC stresses that it has already set aside an additional $22 billion for failure-related costs in 2009, and adds that congressional action this spring gave the agency access to $500 billion in Treasury credit.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bank; bankfailure; banking; banks; bhoeconomy; economy; fdic; financialcrisis; govwatch; guarantybank; obamanomics; obamasfault; panicof2009; theobamadepression
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Cap and trade is bad yes. Because it is a tax and unnecessary and ill timed.

Goldman has precious little to do with that, however, and it is only another example of the ordinary smear to pretend otherwise. Given a choice between attacking irrational religious nuts bent on the deindustrialization of mankind and attacking a Wall Street banker, you can always count on the populusts and Pauleans to attack - the banker.

And to pick a Jewish sounding name to do it...

81 posted on 08/03/2009 11:02:33 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Face it, you simply want the banking system to collapse and you are pissed that is hasn't

Not a question of what I want. It's a mathematical certainty at this point that it will.

82 posted on 08/03/2009 11:20:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Only feces and dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: JasonC
Man, dude. Your stuff is good! I agree with you 100% on all points except one. I want to believe, but this guy is different. He's the real McCoy. A Bolshie who was created to destroy the very system you and I worship. Do not be blindsided by the "its politics as usual" stuff. It is different this time and Obama is the puppet for people who are hell bent on dismantling our economic system and impoverishing our citizens to knock the USA out of world dominance. They, somehow, were able to fool a remarkably stupid American public into thinking he was a viable leader. Hide your assets. Take precautions. Ask old Europeans what it was like in the 1930s and 1940s. Be careful. If you don't fight to protect what we have, we won't have it much longer.

A boon, sir! Please reread James Grant's classic "Money of the Mind" and then tell me where I'm wrong with a straight face!

83 posted on 08/03/2009 11:23:37 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Centurion2000
On mathematical certainties, if words mean things, men who believe that is what they are, are willing to bet at any odds. Are you will to bet? Cause I am. Shall we say til the end of the year? I say no trouble, no insolvency, and no loses to depositors. You can insolvency with runs and losses, yes?

I am perfectly willing to put up with tomfoolery by ideologues if and only if they are willing to pay me for being wrong.

84 posted on 08/03/2009 11:24:23 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: April Lexington
Obama is an ignorant Chicago ward politician. Being scared of non entities like that is not something I am capable of. I am, you see, an actual man, not an hysteric...
85 posted on 08/03/2009 11:26:22 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Again, and all of us on this thread, please to reread James Grant's classic Money of the Mind. It stops where the latest bank zaniness starts. THEN we can talk about the FDIC and bank capital and why this time is different...

None of this capitalist stuff works in a socialist society. You have to be in the "in club" and pay bribes and go to boring political functions and wear Che tee shirts or... no bank franchise and all of the goodies of wealth for you!

86 posted on 08/03/2009 11:27:02 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JasonC
the recession is over?

Do you have any idea what is going on in commercial real estate right now?
Have you heard anything about the municipal bond market?

This is vital, because the recovery has nothing to do with the poor policies mentioned about, that the Dems are engaging in. It is purely the result of the competent actions of the Fed, of the bank bailout last year before the election, and of the ordinary self healing nature of capitalist economic crises.

competent actions of the Fed? bank bailouts?

what exactly have they 'fixed'? there has been some deleveraging, but there are a huge number of zombie banks out there, solvent in name only. ah, negative tier 1 capital??

are you betting on 'consumer sentiment' to save the day here or what?
87 posted on 08/03/2009 11:28:33 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: JasonC
You ever lived in Chicago? I have and these guys are bad news. Please believe me when I tell you that they are out to destroy individual wealth and replace it with a patronage system that rewards the perpetualization of political power.
88 posted on 08/03/2009 11:29:00 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JasonC
ignorant Chicago ward politician

In Chicago, there are cemeteries full of people who thought like this. And.... they VOTE!

89 posted on 08/03/2009 11:29:59 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
I lived in Chicago for 15 years.

In Obama's ward. I was at the University of Chicago.

There is nothing about him or men like him you can tell me that I do not already know.

Joe Stalins they are not.

It is reasonable to worry about an Ahmadinejad with nuclear weapons. It is not reasonble to live in fear of a lightweight non-entity like Obama.

He will do exactly what the New York Times editorial page tells him to do, and he will do it badly.

90 posted on 08/03/2009 11:34:35 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Are you will to bet? Cause I am

Based on your behavior and words thus far I cast severe aspersions on your honor to pay.

91 posted on 08/03/2009 11:35:45 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Only feces and dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: April Lexington
We are not in a socialist society.

I realize that you'd prefer it if we were living in an Ayn Rand novel, but nope, sorry, we aren't.

The dems made the mistake in the last 5 years of hating their country because it refused to let them rule it. Do not repeat that error.

The reason the Dems won the last election is simple - American's saw their net worth drop something like $10 trillion within a month and a half of election day, and they threw out the party in power, in digust and fear.

That is quite completely all.

92 posted on 08/03/2009 11:38:31 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Centurion2000
Of course, because you are a gutless tool.
93 posted on 08/03/2009 11:39:02 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
No, No, No... In my state, almost 60% of every dollar I earn goes to support a layer of government. We ARE a socialist country and if the stuff on the plate passes, I'm heading for greener pastures in lower tax jurisdiction. Nothing left here. The constitution is a joke, the government in Washington is simply out of control (politically and fiscally) and everything is for sale if the proper political contribution is made.... Either we live under a predictable system of laws and rights or we don't. If we don't, I'm outta here! Thus, the anger...
94 posted on 08/03/2009 11:43:47 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JasonC
There is nothing about him or men like him you can tell me that I do not already know.

I'm out on a limb here.... but, wanna bet?

95 posted on 08/03/2009 11:46:40 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: JasonC
Keep an eye on the New General Motors. I'm hearing rumblings of gross cluelessness and inability to deliver product on time. Rand would understand!

Poetic, no?

96 posted on 08/03/2009 11:58:43 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: wafflehouse
"the recession is over?"

Yes. Recession means that GDP goes downward instead of upward. It was still going downward at a 1% annual rate in the 2nd quarter - but we aren't in the second quarter any more, we are already in the 3rd. The third will come in marginally positive. That's the bottom. The 4th will clearly be growth, not continued contraction.

Does that mean GDP instantly goes back to what it was before the slide? No, but words mean things, and that is not what the term "recession" means. The slide practically stopped even in the 2nd quarter and it is still improving, relatively speaking. So we know pretty well that the 3rd quarter will come in positive or narrowly flat, at worst.

Do you have any idea what is going on in commercial real estate right now?

Sure. It isn't exactly the largest sector of the economy, however, and all of the banks are back to profitability, so there is no great danger to worry about there.

Have you heard anything about the municipal bond market?

Kind of a silly question. It's fine. California is the only large worry out there.

"competent actions of the Fed?"

Yes, the Fed acted with competence and professionalism from the Lehman failure (exclusive - that was a treasury-directed mistake of epic proportions, listening to libertarian puritans) to the March lows, and in doing so it healed the money markets and then the bond market. That restored solvency to US corporations generally and (along with TARP) the banks in particular. That in turn means no more major bank failures are in the offing, nor any great slide. They kept the general price level from collapsing as asset and commodity prices did, avoiding a broad deflation. That saved us any longer depression rerun, as the market (somewhat irrationally) feared last fall.

And yes, bank bailouts, which were necessary. TARP, the second round of Citi, the Merrill backstop for Bank of America, etc. The major failures stopped with AIG. There was nothing fated about that, it could have cascaded through half a dozen huge firms of similar or larger size, and if that had happened it would have brought down half the country, financially speaking. That was nicely avoided.

The economy will recover this year, on automatic fiscal stabilizers (e.g. Federal tax collections have fallen 18% overall, while spending of course rose) and on large scale monetary stimulus from the Fed, on lower import and commodity prices and improved terms of trade (just the oil cost changes are worth 2% of GDP), finance is improved by wider rate spreads -which required healing the money markets (3 month LIBOR at 0.5% not 5%), corporations can borrow again (half a trillion refinanced and a quarter trillion net new issuance; last fall the market was closed with rates at penalty levels and top grade bond traded at 50-60 cents on the dollar); the trade deficit has been cut in half as the savings rate soared from 0 to 7% of personal income; personal income was maintained, despite unemployment, by the fiscal stabilizers above (lower taxes etc).

The banks are now fine, no they are not "zombies". They ave very heavily reserved overall, in no category of loan beyond the original subprimes have loan losses exceeded the rates charged on them; net interest margins are 3.25% on low funding costs (it is CD savers who "pay" in lost income when men do not repay their debts), mortgage securities have rallied 20-30 points from their March lows, all the banks have been able to raise capital again, the bond market has put in an epic rally and stocks are also pointing to recovery (perhaps too far too soon, in fact, in the case of the last).

And no, I don't need consumer sentiment or spending anything to save anything. All of the factors above will restore ordinary growth in a very short period of time. In addition, producer prices are lower 4.5% while consumer prices are lower 1% - commodity prices are lower 38%. That will show up as higher margins for corporate profits. Inventory ran off - production fell even more than sales in 4Q 2008 and 1Q 2009 - and is as lean as its ever been, which will not repeat. Even without restocking, that will add to GDP near-term when it stops. Similarly with the soaring savings rate. It might need to go clear to 10%, but as soon as it stops soaring, GDP kicks up several percent in annual rate.

Americans are now saving $850 billion a year of their own net new capital. The value of existing assets stopped falling in March. The government is adding several trillion in debt to its sheet, all of which must appear as an asset on the sheet of a corporation or a household. So the balance sheets are being repaired, at since March at quite a clip, too.

Do you realize that personal income didn't even fall? Investment did, and the government budget swung to wide deficit. But personal income held up despite the huge jump in unemployment. It just all went to savings. It needed to, surely. All that was required to restore a savings rate was to cut off the deadbeats from access to credit.

Meanwhile there are $750 billion in excess reserves in the banking system. The banks are currently capital-constrained, not reserve constrained, so loan growth is slow. And in this state of the economy is should be - the banks are paying more attention to credit quality etc. But that will not last forever. As their capital recovers and other asset prices move upward instead of downward, they will lend and they were find people who want to borrow.

We aren't wealthy because of any kind of scam. We are wealthy because we adapt to new conditions and new configurations of prices, we face realities, and we work. None of that has changed and none of it is going to change.

The government is being dumb on the tax side, surely. We can easily cut the recovery in half, and we can easily be left with outsized deficits for too long. But simply getting back to the ordinary condition of a growing rather than a contracting economy, we have already accomplished. We did everything that needed doing *policy wise* for that, last year. These things just take 6-12 months to have any effect.

She's a big ship...

97 posted on 08/04/2009 12:09:09 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: April Lexington
GM has been a socialist state the size of Belgium my entire adult life. Anyone who thinks it only recently became one, hasn't been paying attention...
98 posted on 08/04/2009 12:10:06 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: April Lexington
Go ahead, nobody stopping you. Don't let anything hit your ass on the way out. We don't need you, to quote Galt.

Also, you have to be pretty clueless about it to actually pay 60% of everything (as opposed to that much on a last dollar)...

99 posted on 08/04/2009 12:12:10 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: April Lexington
lol touche. Well in trivia I will readily admit I might learn something new about any given pol. In basic methods, who they are, what they do - not so much.
100 posted on 08/04/2009 12:16:45 AM PDT by JasonC
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