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Obama: Natural-born Citizen Debate Rages On
TheNewAmerican.com ^ | July 29, 2009 | Joe Wolverton, II

Posted on 07/30/2009 1:23:29 PM PDT by Ebenezer

On the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s birth as a state, it was another birth that clouded the celebration. The House of Representatives on Monday passed a resolution that honors Hawaii’s statehood including a controversial clause stating proudly: “President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii August 4, 1961.”

Such a statement should be routine, however, there are numerous groups and individuals that question the location of Barack Obama’s actual birthplace. In fact, several lawsuits have been filed seeking to have Obama’s election as the 44th president of the United States overturned by the Supreme Court for violating the Constitutional requirement that the president be a “natural born Citizen” (Article II, Section 1).

There are many who claim that President Obama is ineligible to hold the office of the president because he was born abroad. Those holding such a belief are called “birthers” in the media and they reportedly believe that the birth record presented by Hawaiian Health Department officials is a fake and that President Obama was actually born in Kenya, the homeland of his father.

Among the alleged facts that skeptics of Obama's citizenship status cite are his Kenyan paternal grandmother's claim that she was present at his birth, supposedly in Mombasa, in Kenya. Based on a reading of the transcript [http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy/] of the conversation in which that alleged claim appeared, however, it seems likely to have been the result of a misunderstanding. Also adding fuel to the controversy has been Obama's apparent reluctance to produce documentation that would put the issue to rest. That reluctance has been taken as a sign in many quarters that the President must have something to hide.

In an effort to end the controversy once and for all, Hawaii’s Health Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, announced Monday that, “I have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.” Despite Dr. Fukino’s brief statement, the debate over whether or not President Barack Obama was indeed born in the United States rages on and is remarkably vital enough to motivate 10 congressman to co-sponsor a bill that would require all future presidential candidates to provide a certified copy of their original birth certificate, unquestionably establishing their status as a natural born citizen of the United States.

For its part, the Obama White House responded through press secretary Robert Gibbs who ridiculed reporters’ questions about President Obama’s citizenship at a press conference on Monday. Said Gibbs: “For $15 you can get an internet address and say whatever you want.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue

1 posted on 07/30/2009 1:23:30 PM PDT by Ebenezer
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To: rrstar96

Mr. President. May I see your credentials please.


2 posted on 07/30/2009 1:35:57 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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On the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s birth as a state, it was another birth that clouded the celebration. The House of Representatives on Monday passed a resolution that honors Hawaii’s statehood including a controversial clause stating proudly: “President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii August 4, 1961.”
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This is one fence the libs will never be able to put enough white-wash on....


3 posted on 07/30/2009 1:37:03 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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yeah,but for $12.00 you can get a birth certificate and end the controversy, that’s the fault in Gibbs’ logic


4 posted on 07/30/2009 1:37:11 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: screaminsunshine
Mr. President. May I see your credentials please.

Or, as the border guards in those countries whose policies Ohbummer is trying to emulate would bluntly say, "Papers!".

5 posted on 07/30/2009 1:40:43 PM PDT by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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7 posted on 07/30/2009 1:43:30 PM PDT by trueamerica
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To: screaminsunshine

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


8 posted on 07/30/2009 2:00:01 PM PDT by Dryman (Now, Back to Lurking)
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To my memory previous Presidential candidates produced their vital documents upon request for examination by anyone who had the means to gain that much access to the candidate in question.

The Obama campaign refused to release his vital documents, and when a copy of a COLB showed up on Daily Kos, the campaign seemed somewhat surprised but they rapidly adopted the DK copy as legitimate. When the DK copy’s validity was disputed the campaign seemed to pause on the issue until suddenly FactCheck.org came out with a post that they’d been approached by the campaign to vet and photograph the COLB.

FactCheck was handpicked by the Obama campaign and to date, to my knowledge, no other person has been allowed to examine the same document who was or may have been skeptical of its authenticity. In fact people wave a copy they downloaded from the Internet as if it was proof, but unfortunately if Obama had been a conservative, a digital copy with a refusal to allow examination of the originals, and a refusal to allow the release of a long form or certified copy of the original would have the Left up in arms and ready to storm the Hawaii State Registrar and Public Health offices. If Obama had been a Republican candidate, this scandal of refusal to allow public access to a simple document that his opponents and previous candidates had all provided would be a career killer. The Press would’ve asked, “What is in the original that he would pay a million dollars to attorneys to ensure it wasn’t released?” But since he is a black, fellow ideologue of the mainstream press, anyone who questions him on the subject is both racist and crazy.

It isn’t even really about Obama’s birth place any more. The so-called “birther” movement is about forcing Barack Obama to the same standards of documentation and transparency as has been demanded of past Presidents and candidates regardless of color, gender, or creed. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be held to the same standards of his predecessors. To believe otherwise is racist, arrogant, and a disservice to the American people.

Contrary to popular belief a Hawaii State COLB is not a birth certificate, yet both the Obama camp and his supporters assert that it is.


9 posted on 07/30/2009 2:32:31 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Actually, she left something out from her previous statement; the part about "in accordance with the laws of the State of Hawaii". The law at that time stated that you only had to have a mother or a relative state that the child was born in Hawaii. Now, lets look at the word "verify" in the legal sense. From the Encarta dictionary: swear something under oath LAW in law, to swear or affirm under oath that something is true. So, by those two "legal" definition, if Fukino examined a document, which stated that the mother stated that the child was born in Hawaii, then Obamis claim would be legally "verified". Sorry, not good enough.

Why are there no independent hospital records? Why has Obami not released a document containing the signature of the attending physician. Why does his sister in law have a Hawaiian birth certificate, when we know she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia? Why is the serial number on Obamis birth certificate numbered after those of a pair of twins born after he was? When Fukino makes a statement to the effect that she has personally seen a document that contains the signature of the attending physician, and that it matches up with independant hospital records, then I might take her a little more seriously.

The point was made that her statement was probably written/vetted be lawyer and therefor should be believed. Quite the contrary. Lawyers are experts at carefully crafted statement that appear to say one thing, but can really mean something else. As far as I'm concerned, the written/vetted part makes her statement less credible. "Verified" by whom? By what? A statement carefully crafted by lawyers for Hawaii ? Ya, most likely to cover their own asses.

10 posted on 07/30/2009 5:15:17 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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