Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
Tender-handed stroke a nettle
And it stings you for your pains;
Grasp it like a man of mettle,
And it soft as silk remains.
'Tis the same with common natures
Use them kindly they rebel,
But be rough as nutmeg grater,
And the rogues obey you well.
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Oh the accumulated wisdom in Heritage Poetry.
Since I agree with FDR that if it happens in politics it was planned, one of two things is going to happen.
If Obama is supposed to stay in office for eight years (his path having been greased for decades) then the birther perplexion will disappear like Hillary's billing files and Vince Foster's pulse. After all this time, any intelligence unit worth it black budget should have been able to sweep clean his birth certificate which will then be publicly displayed to make us look like lunatics. (This is another good reason to base our questions on the legitimate definition of "native born" and also to question his mother's age and his own dual citizenship; all questions Pelosi and Kennedy should have asked and answered.)
How was his close friendship with Farrakahn and the Nation of Islam completely ignored? Was this why Jeremiah Wright was permitted to be front and center? At least Wright calls himself a Christian. Obama's roots are amazingly muslim. A mere eight years after 9/11 and somehow this country elects a man whose family is muslim, who was adopted by a muslim, and who was muslim himself.
OTOH if the missing BC and assorted records and paperwork (demanded of all Presidential contenders) prove to be O's undoing, then this, too, was set up to erode the Constitution and open the door for any old non-American, "citizen of the world" to reside in the White House, sovereignty be damned.
Under this scenario, the SC will let him stay in office till 2012 (fearing riots in the street,) thereby nullifying the Constitutional requirement for POTUS.
Everyone should read his "autobiography." There are mixed-up dates and bizarre errors throughout it. Obama thinks he sits on the banking committee. He thinks he met his wife in the classroom. He is covering up so much he must be in a perpetual state of confusion. Or sleep-walking. And waking a sleepwalker can be dangerous.
We are self destructive.
I'm not so sure this is going to disappear. Had this been thirty years ago none of this would have been discussed. We would have had three corrupted news outlets all focused in on beer summits. The case of Vince Foster was almost 16 years ago. As Iran and Saudi Arabia have found out, the Internet is growing day by day and is a big threat to totalitarian regimes.
The reason the birthers are gaining ground is because of the Internet. News medias are finding that they HAVE to talk about it. The more they dismiss it, the more questions that are being raised.
BTW-I thought it was a hoot that Bill O'Reilly stated that he knows Lou Dobbs is wrong about the birth certificate because he's "seen the evidence". Someone then challenged O'Reilly to produce the evidence that he has seen. Fair challenge. It difficult to let something like that slide if thousands of people are pinging a site.
Yes, that could very well be their attempt. I'm wondering if they haven't already painted themselves into a corner by waiting this long. If after all the coverage on this they now produce a BC that at least appears valid on its face, and then tries to laugh at us, our response can be "then why did it take you all these months for something so simple. So much for Mr. Transparency!". :) I think we should keep pushing this.
Obama's roots are amazingly muslim. A mere eight years after 9/11 and somehow this country elects a man whose family is muslim, who was adopted by a muslim, and who was muslim himself.
Yes, and I don't actually see him practicing any particular faith at all, unless one counts liberal ideology as a faith. If I was surveyed and asked if I thought he was a Christian I would say I don't know. His words and his actions rarely match.
OTOH if the missing BC and assorted records and paperwork (demanded of all Presidential contenders) prove to be O's undoing, then this, too, was set up to erode the Constitution and open the door for any old non-American, "citizen of the world" to reside in the White House, sovereignty be damned.
Maybe Latina wisdom will save us all? :)
Everyone should read his "autobiography." There are mixed-up dates and bizarre errors throughout it. Obama thinks he sits on the banking committee. He thinks he met his wife in the classroom.
I'll have to do that. I had no idea there were those kinds of errors in his own book. Maybe the Biden effect kicked in and he wrote everything right, but then still got 30% of it wrong. :)
Yeah, I saw him say that on the air too. Made him look real bad and sloppy. Even with just a little homework anyone can see that it's reasonable to ask questions. If O'Reilly is so sure of himself I wonder why he hasn't had the "Is it Legal" ladies take a look. I don't think I've heard either of them trash the "birthers" before.
Lou Dobbs? I doubt he "went rogue" on CNN but they have to act like it.
My guess is the Obama WH offended the wrong people,(Israel) or Pelosi did, (CIA)and if this isn't the real thing, somebody has a real hammer somewhere
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