Posted on 07/27/2009 9:25:01 AM PDT by pissant
Conservative political strategist Floyd Brown, who gained a sort of immortality during the 1988 presidential campaign for an ad attacking Democratic candidate Mike Dukakis over the furloughing of a violent prisoner, has a new article up at WorldNetDaily attacking CNN for shutting down Lou Dobbs’ coverage of “birthers.” CNN president Jon Klein had credited CNN’s political researchers with debunking the story. Brown and his wife/co-author Mary dissent:
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If “the political researchers” at CNN had made more extensive inquiries than just repeating a public statement made on June 7, 2009, by the Department of Health spokesman to a local newspaper, they would have discovered that up until sometime between June 10 and June 18, 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands required applicants for special privileges to present copies of their original birth certificates. The DHHL regarded the shorter “Certification of Live Birth” as insufficient. Therefore the DHHL instructed all applicants to this program in the accepted procedure for obtaining copies of their original birth certificate from the Department of Health.
… Klein’s message to Dobbs’ staffers is deceptive or mistaken. Up until the middle of June 2009, Obama could “produce the original birth certificate.” And the Hawaiian Department of Health could produce it now if he authorized it to do so. The story is not “dead,” even though Klein has just tried to kill it. So Klein either lied to or misled Dobbs’ staffers or was lied to or misled by the Hawaiian Department of Health.
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If nothing else, this demonstrates the degree to which conservative political operatives have paid attention to this conspiracy theory, even after Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign (quietly) found the rumors easily to debunk.
So, after a whole year, this story has grown such legs that it's now being widely discussed in the mainstream press, and you think it's "going nowhere"?
Feel free to jump off the bc threads, if you think there's nothing to it.
Aside from the requirement that one must be born within the jurisdiction of the US, must BOTH parents not owe any allegiance to any foreign sovereignty? Would a person be a natural born citizen if one parent had a foreign allegiance but the other did not?
The only place she could have had a legal marriage was in Kenya. Without it Obamanazi was a bastard. That maybe why she was there.
Hawaii's vital records office is alleged to have issued birth records at the request of American parents whose children were born while outside of the country. I've never seen that allegation debunked, and until it is I consider the possibility that Obama has a "problematic" birth record to be quite strong.
This is a matter that SCOTUS would have to decide..no matter how many people tell you it is set in stone. I wish I didn’t have to see anymore posts on this site about the Minor case claiming it settled the law.
One thing is for certain, Obama was not a UK citizen UNLESS his mother went to Kenya and had a customary marriage or he was born in Kenya.
He claims he was a UK citizen. So did one of the above occur???? or was he just telling yet another lie.
Btw, the Hawaii statute allows for Orly to request a verification letter. She can put in birth Place Kenya and see what she gets back. I don’t understand why she hasn’t done that, yet.
No, Obama’s father was Kenyan which would render Obama as NOT a natural born citizen.
Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born American citizen to serve as President. Barack Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen. John A. Bingham, primary framer, 14th Amendment, states- “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Obama himself has stated that he is the son of a Kenyan- Kenya being a foreign sovereignty. Thus, Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he were actually born in Hawaii.
Do you know who Barack Obama is? Is he NOT a natural born citizen? Check these out-
Original birth certificate - Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro adoption records - Not released
Besuki School application - Released
Punahou School records - Not released
Selective Service Registration - Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records - Not released
Passport (Pakistan) - Not released
Columbia College records - Not released
Columbia thesis - Not released
Harvard College records - Not released
Harvard Law Review articles - None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate - None
Medical records - Not released
Illinois State Senate records - None
Illinois State Senate schedule - Lost
Law practice client list - Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None
Now Hawaii officials are saying that all birth certificates were destroyed in 2001. But on October 31, 2008, this contrary statement-
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
Original birth certificate - Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro adoption records - Not released
Besuki School application - Released
Punahou School records - Not released
Selective Service Registration - Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records - Not released
Passport (Pakistan) - Not released
Columbia College records - Not released
Columbia thesis - Not released
Harvard College records - Not released
Harvard Law Review articles - None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate - None
Medical records - Not released
Illinois State Senate records - None
Illinois State Senate schedule - Lost
Law practice client list - Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None
Does anyone really think that a 19 year from Kenya would have known, or cared, enough about American custom to place his son's birth announcement in the paper? It's virtually certain that the birth announcements were called into the newspapers, by Obama's American grandparents, who lived in Hawaii.
This is such a common practice, by grandparents, for children not born locally, that many newspapers have rules about the parents being local residents. The grandparents may well have provided a false address, to get around this rule. This would account for the neighbors believing that the Obama's never lived at the address given in the papers.
Well, if you hadn't used that last link to support your case I might be amenable to it. FactCheck is either ignorant or lying. At any rate they claim they have seen the "original birth certificate" -- they haven't. Instead, they viewed a CnOLB at the Obama Headquarters in Chicago. Some investigation.
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That isn't necessarily how it had to happen. Obama could have been born to 17-year-old Stanley Ann Dunham -- anywhere -- and a CnOLB applied for later.
The two island newspapers have stated they always got birth information from the state department of vital statics, not from a parent, a hospital or any other source.
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Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
WHO said that Bammy’s MOTHER put the notice in the newspaper??? Maybe it was the grandparents.
I agree...why go to Kenya? Because Stanley Ann didn’t want her child to be American (and I am putting on my asbestos...I got flamed before for the same statement). But personality wise, it makes sense (to me).
So the other three links are ok but not that one? When HotAir pundit says this whole conspiracy thing is a joke, I tend to listen. Those are good, common sense conservatives over there.
It wasn’t the parents or the grandparents, it’ done by the State of Hawaii which further shows why this whole conspiracy thing has no legs. The State of Hawaii released the births to those newspapers each week as a standard practice.
Are the birthers really saying that in 1961, the state of Hawaii knew that a small child born in Kenya or somewhere outside of the USA was going to become President 45+ years later so they better run a false birthing notice in the paper?
That’s essentially what some birthers would have you believe since the state sent those announcements out each week. It’s beyond preposterous and doesn’t pass any smell test at all.
Yet we have people continually pushing this (even though Hillary, McCain, Palin, etc couldn’t find anything on this either) birthing thing which ultimately lowers the credibility of conservatives and paints us like lunatics wearing tin foil hats.
It’s no different than the black box conspiracy nutjobs on the left with the 2004 election, the 9-11 truthers who blame the US for the attacks, etc, etc.
But dare say this and you get trashed on here like there’s no tomorrow. Sigh.
What the HELL are you talking about???
.... who has left a trail of evidence that is not being enforced.
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