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Transnational Implications of the Birth Certificate Controversy
Vanity | 7/26/09 | null and void

Posted on 07/26/2009 7:09:59 PM PDT by null and void

What's the worst that could happen?

Much ink has been devoted to the ongoing controversy about the constitutional legitimacy of the Obama presidency.

Briefly, there is fringe of True Believers that asserts Barack Obama was not born on US soil, of two American citizen parents, and is therefore not a "natural born citizen" making him ineligible to hold the office of the president.

These so-called "Birthers" assert that Barack was not born in the United States, that is was born in Kenya, making him a Kenyan by birth or Canada, making him a Canadian citizen or even that he's a British subject.

Indeed, they assert that the mere fact that Kenya was a British colony when Barack was born gives him at best dual citizenship as a British subject, under British law, and American citizen even if he was born in Honolulu, and that this dual citizenship at birth fails to meet the constitutional requirements.

In point of fact, any citizenship claims another country wishes to impose on an American are utterly irrelevant. To say otherwise would be to buy in to the absurdity that North Korea declaring that everyone on earth is a North Korean citizen would mean that no one is eligible to become the president of the United States!

For most people the image of Barack Obama's short form birth certificate posted on FactCheck.com suffices as a release of his true record of birth and as iron clad evidence that he is, in fact a "natural born citizen".

But for the Birthers? They insist that a computer image is not a valid legal document, that FactCheck is owned by the Anneberg Foundation - the same people who hired a young Barack Obama to be a community organizer, that even if the FactCheck document reflected reality, the short form is not even sufficient to qualify a 9 year old to join a Pop Warner team.

Birthers have tried to get a certified copy of Barack's long form birth certificate release by the state of Hawaii. They view access to this original document as crucial for making their case, as the State of Hawaii will release a short form certificate showing an Hawaiian place for birth for foreign born children and adoptees of Hawaiian residents.

Sighting quite reasonable privacy and identity theft concerns, Hawaii will not release a birth certificate except to the individual in question, or a small group of close relatives, or by court order.

Obviously Birthers could simply sue in any US court to have the real long form birth certificate released. Various Birthers have sued. So far, every case has been rejected on procedural grounds, mostly for "lack of standing". No court has heard a single case on its merits.

Individual citizens lack standing. Political opponents competing for the office of the president on the very same same ballot lack standing. People directly affected by fiat tax increases lack standing, etc.

The closest any case got to being heard was Cook Vs Good, where a reserve officer requested clarification of the legality of deployment orders. Rather than allow the case to go forward, his orders were instantly revoked, removing his standing.

Federal and private attorneys have burned through nearly $1,000,000 of taxpayer and campaign funds in a so far successful attempt to prevent Barack from being compelled to show a $10 document any lesser being would need to show to get a job flipping burgers.

It all boils down to "standing". To have "standing" one needs to be able to demonstrate to an American court that they, personally have been damaged.

So far, with the temporary exception of Maj. Cook, no US court has found that any American has standing.

What's the worst that could happen?

In the absence of certainty of Barack' ability to hold the office? Plenty.

No government employee, no member of the military, no citizen can know if any presidential order, finding, signature on any law, or treaty has any legal validity.

Worse, any foreign power sufficiently motivated can force the United States into a constitutional crisis at any point in a time and manner of their own choosing.

If, for example Barack Obama, acting as the president of the United States, imposes sanctions on North Korea, or Iran, or even Australia, the leader of that country would clearly have standing, and even more crucially, could go directly to the World Court to press their case and bypass all the legal nuancing a US court would suffer. No amount of courtroom shenanigans will keep the World Court from doing its duty.

It is very probable that in the absence of proper documentation, the World Court would find that the Barack Obama has no legal authority to act on behalf of the United States, and every treaty, agreement, and presidential finding he ever signed is null and void.

Every act of war engaged in under his illegal orders potentially becomes a war crime.

For the want of a $10 document, any hostile foreign power can, at any time, potentially take down the American government.

An honest president would find that this risk would far outweigh any personal embarrassment disclosure of the truth would cause him.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; vanity
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To: Cheetahcat
Hey Thanks I was just wondering how Hawaii could recognize the Obamas marriage since the husband was married already I can see in Kenya that would be no problem from your post.

Probably not a problem if they were married in a country that allowed polygamy.

Problem if they married in Hawaii, though.

Should be no problem to verify, all we need to do is check out the Obama/Dunham marriage license....

61 posted on 07/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 187 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: VRWCTexan

At the time that Obama traveled to Pakistan with a college friend at Occidental, the US did not permit people with American passports to travel to that country.

He probably traveled on an Indonesian passport. He was registered in school in that country as Barry Soetero, Indonesian citizen (he was adopted by Soetero), religion Islam.

He most likely was registered in all of his college work as a foreign student, so received special grants or loans. That would also explain why he has refused to reveal his college records along with a real birth certificate.


62 posted on 07/26/2009 10:02:40 PM PDT by octex
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To: null and void
“Should be no problem to verify, all we need to do is check out the Obama/Dunham marriage license....”

That I would imagine would be locked up tight.

63 posted on 07/26/2009 10:06:33 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Kackikat
I guess I think that his very actions concerning his B.C. and refusing to show it, or to even open the subject up for discussion speaks volumes...if there was nothing wrong or illegal...why not show the darned thing...he never should have been sworn in without showing his birth certificate...why does everyone that could hold him to the same rules as everyone else, give him a free pass? He's
ridden and continues to ride rough shod over every law and rule, including the Constitution.
64 posted on 07/27/2009 12:14:14 AM PDT by Molly T. (Has this administration crossed YOUR line in the sand yet?)
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To: null and void

I wish.


65 posted on 07/27/2009 8:38:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Onelifetogive

That’s funny


66 posted on 07/27/2009 8:40:21 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Molly T.

There are several reasons why he isn’t being challenged.
1. media is 90% liberal
2. democrats don’t challenge democrat candidates who won, except for the blue dogs amazingly on Healthcare.
3. this is more than a party or an election
4. they are members of same secret society
5. they have been strongarmed or threatended to lose job
6..bribed or blackmailed.
7. It isn’t socialism, it’s marxism,and colleges have taught it for so many decades large numbers are brainwashed.
8. Fear


67 posted on 07/27/2009 12:27:43 PM PDT by Kackikat
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