Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk

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[ansel12]

Excellent post I’m going to keep it it and reread it.

>”Now, what about the young people? This, again, is bad analysis. Young people have, historically, been liberal. Yet, they do not stay that way. If they had, then Reagan should have been impossible due to all the hippies.”<

One thing related to this, for the people that don’t know about the period, is that the 18 to 29 vote in 1972 when the draft and the Vietam war were taking place went 52% Nixon to 46% McGovern.

[PressurePoint]

Did you get the Zogby poll with the three questions

I did. That's hilarious. You got that too? What was that supposed to be? Some sort of filter to weed out the tin-foil brigade? Or perhaps they were just "floating a concept" to see if they've sufficiently prepared the pig for roasting.

[elpadre]

I would hope that after a taste of Obama’s assault on Constitutional government, the huge number of whites who don't bother to register and vote will come to their senses and come out in droves to reverse this travesty we are undergoing.

[elpadre]

I would hope that after a taste of Obama’s assault on Constitutional government, the huge number of whites who don't bother to register and vote will come to their senses and come out in droves to reverse this travesty we are undergoing.

[McGruff]

Wow. Your reply should be it's own thread. You sound like a pro while I'm an average Joe watching history happen.

Your Sarah Palin comments are interesting. To me it seems like a big mistake on their part. The more they attack her personally the more sympathy she gets from the moderate democrats. I can see it in my wife who voted for “The Chosen One”.

The Nancy Pelosi / Harry Reid types almost seem like they are doing their best for a Republican comeback. Hell these Blue Dogs sound like Republicans. I'd focus on working with them.

Between “Government Run Healthcare” and his stupid police comment Obama may have really met his Waterloo. Republicans shouldn't back down. We'll have to see.

I'm a big Sarah Palin fan. I feel she could shock the world unless the Republican party establishment destroy her. I'll be watching. If they do I'll vote third party. I'll still support the House Republicans though.

I live in Connecticut so I'm stuck in a blue state even though the area where I live is a working class Republican small city. There were many more McCain/Palin signs here than those other guys.

Enough rambling from me for now.

[qam1]

We all know those kind of numbers, what people aren’t aware of is that the numbers do not apply to minorities that become Protestants.

HUH??????

Blacks are the most Christian group out of all races and very few are Catholics. So you are way off

[Cincinnatus.45-70]

“Time for a new party anyway.”

Amen! If we must have a two-party system, then it’s time to dump this one. The Republicans sure don’t look like they want my vote, nor that of many other conservatives. It would be a great relief if they would just cease to exist.

Hooray, Zogby!

[mysterio]

Amen! If we must have a two-party system, then it’s time to dump this one. The Republicans sure don’t look like they want my vote, nor that of many other conservatives. It would be a great relief if they would just cease to exist.

I can't say I disagree. However, I think we might be happier with a multiple party system like many other countries have. As with capitalism, we all win when there's competition. Right now, there's no competition.

[ansel12]

Blacks are the most Christian group out of all races and very few are Catholics. So you are way off

You skipped post 90
"Start a Protestant revival movement, with the exception of blacks, protestantism means conservative minorities."

[alicewonders]

However, I think we might be happier with a multiple party system like many other countries have. As with capitalism, we all win when there's competition. Right now, there's no competition.

I think it would actually be an improvement. A THREE party system would serve our country better. I think our forefathers saw a two party system as a balance - but what has happened now is that the two parties have figured out that they can let each party take turns in power & they all get to stay in office for life.

Three parties would make it harder for that to happen.

[delacoert]

Most of us have been in the political minority all our lives...

I'm not sure who "us" is. There are many conservatives of my generation on this forum - end of the Baby-Boom-ers who are 50ish and whose political mind was shaped during the Regan Revolution. Far from being in the minority, conservatives can and do succeed.

When I was 18, Gerald Ford was POTUS (VP who became president at Nixon's resignation). Jimmy Carter was elected president the next year, and I grumbled along with everyone else, but Ronald Regan had arrived. His campaign was noteworthy in 1976 and the ascendancy of Conservatism began. Ronald Regan ran his revolutionary campaign in 1979. I was 22 and he captured my imagination, and inspired a new generation of conservatives. I registered Republican and voted for the first time in 1980.

Regan began a revolution in American politics and economics that included:

1. Supply-side economic policies, dubbed "Reaganomics."
2. He courageously survived an assassination attempt.
3. He took a hard line against labor unions (air traffic controllers' strike).
4. He ordered military actions in Grenada.
5. He was reelected in a landslide in 1984, proclaiming it was "Morning in America."
6. His foreign policy and economic reforms led to the ending of the Cold War.
7. The bombing of Libya
8. The revelation of the Iran-Contra affair (giving us Ollie North).
9. Publicly described the Soviet Union as an "evil empire"
10. He supported anticommunist movements worldwide.
11. Reagan negotiated with Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, culminating in the INF Treaty and the decrease of both countries' nuclear arsenals.

Much more can be said.

So like others in this thread and on this forum I say, "Conservatism has worked every time it has been tried."

Don't give in to the gloom-and-doomers, Conservatism is not dead. Conservatism does not need the Republican party to survive. To the contrary, the Republican party needs Conservatism to survive.

I hope this isn't viewed as a rant. There are many FR members, and I am not sure that the majority of FReepers "have been in the political minority all their lives". Regardless, we have good cause continue to be enthusiastic about the prospect for the success of the American experiment in the future. Keep your chin up.

[mysterio]

Three would be an improvement; four or five would be ideal. One has to accept that the two party system leads to a situation where both parties share the same goal : consolidation of power and money.

The system survives on "But if we don't vote for these guys, those guys win."

[alicewonders]

I agree with you.

[Hawthorn]

>> Conservatism works every time it’s tried. <<

No, it doesn’t always “work.” All by itself, conservatism is poorly placed to win the allegiance of today’s poorly educated, Oprah-addicted electorate.

Therefore I submit that before conservatism can “work,” it needs persuasive and attractive leaders who (a) thouroughly understand the underlying principles, (b) believe sincerely in them, and (c) can explain them in clear language that will appeal both to the blue collar worker and to the suburban soccer mom.

And it’s exactly that kind of leadership that the GOP now lacks.

[justkate]

Thanks for the nice words...

Posts like yours are the reason I’m glad to be a here.

[NoGrayZone]

GOP should die....where’s the news in that?

[NoGrayZone]

"How do we counter these people?"

I'm not allowed to say in public (damn SS)....

[NoGrayZone]

"“That’s very true, and that’s got to be a cause for concern. Look at the fastest-growing groups in the electorate. Those groups are Latinos, African-Americans — even though the numbers of African-Americans are not growing, the number who are voting is certainly growing"

The last poll I saw was that the majority of Americans are Conservative. It is WE who are on the right track....RINOS days are numbered.

[NoGrayZone]

My good friend and I were just talking about this. The DEMONcrat party cannot allow this to happen because it will raise people OUT of poverty.

Their whole existence is to keep people IN poverty. It is very very cruel.

[truthandlife]

Zogby is a leftist Dem in diguise under his so called polling firm. I bet he even brought out the “special Zogby sauce” on Obama’s approval being at 48%. I bet he didn’t even poll on this one and just piggbacked on Rasmussen.