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Swine flu could kill hundreds of thousands in U.S. if vaccine fails, CDC says
The Los Angeles Times ^ | July 25, 2009 | Thomas H. Maugh II

Posted on 07/25/2009 8:25:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Hundreds of thousands of Americans could die over the next two years if the vaccine and other control measures for the new H1N1 influenza are not effective, and, at the pandemic's peak, as much as 40% of the workforce could be affected, according to new estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That is admittedly a worst-case scenario that the federal agency says it doesn't expect to occur.

But the broad range of potential deaths highlights the unpredictability of flu viruses in general and this swine flu virus in particular because it hasn't behaved the way researchers have expected.

The number of potential deaths is much higher than that usually seen in seasonal flu, which kills an estimated 36,000 Americans a year, and is even higher than the nation's most recent pandemic.

A 2003 CDC study of deaths in the preceding decade showed yearly totals ranging from 17,000 to 52,000. The 1957 pandemic of Asian flu killed 70,000.

The vaccine the CDC is counting on is not expected to be available before the end of September, too late to immunize children before the start of school, where the proximity of children is expected to speed up transmission of the virus.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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To: dfwgator

“Never let a crisis go to waste”

Yup, this is just the beginning of the lead up to a “major” health crisis in this country to start, well lets see, right about the time when the ObeymeDeathCare comes up for vote in the Senate. Synchronize your watches. It is inevitable!


21 posted on 07/25/2009 8:38:56 AM PDT by Batman11 (Chicago, Land of Lincoln who freed the slaves and Land of Obama who enslaved the free.)
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To: cripplecreek

>> They can take their vaccine and shove it. I’m not going to be willingly vaccinated.

The suppository version will be out soon for the recalcitrant ones like you.


22 posted on 07/25/2009 8:39:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
BO's CDC is feeding a line of bull. Below is a statement from the WHO.

""The WHO says most H1N1 cases are mild, with many people recovering unaided". "She stressed that the overwhelming majority of patients experienced mild symptoms and made a full recovery within a week, often in the absence of any form of medical treatment."
23 posted on 07/25/2009 8:40:37 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: blam

>> Just another reason to rush into OBAMACARE.

Yeah, but the heck of it is, once you have OBAMACARE, you’re NOT going to want to get sick!

Therefore you’d think they’d be downplaying epidemics; that’s the last thing I’d want to have if the gubmint were in charge of my health care.


24 posted on 07/25/2009 8:41:02 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a feeling that the numbers reported of U.S. citizens having contracted the pig flu are probably understated by maybe up to 50% simply because people who may have been sick with the flu and recovered didn’t even know it was the pig flu......


25 posted on 07/25/2009 8:41:14 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: cripplecreek
They can take their vaccine and shove it. I’m not going to be willingly vaccinated

The last two flu shots I had were in the Air Force 1988 & 89........never, ever sicker in my life.

I will not take one.

26 posted on 07/25/2009 8:44:14 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm growing increasingly leery about BO setting this manufactured crisis up as another means of controlling people. Some states have laws based on the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act that forces people to get vaccinated if the state declares an emergency. More information from this thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2289284/posts.
27 posted on 07/25/2009 8:44:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: ExtremeUnction

Now that there’s funny. Real funny!


28 posted on 07/25/2009 8:46:37 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact is: It is overblown but there will a significant number of deaths but nothing around 100,000 more like the tens of thousands.


29 posted on 07/25/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by GenY Republican
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To: Man50D

Last night on sportscenter they said that several members of the Texas rangers have tested positive for the swine flu but are expected to play their scheduled games.


30 posted on 07/25/2009 8:47:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Man50D
This is one vaccine I'm not taking.

If anyone insists I get the shot, I'll swear I'm allergic to eggs.

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31 posted on 07/25/2009 8:48:02 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is it "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" or a realistic scenario? Tens of millions died in 1918, so anything is possible.

I might have had the swine flu already, or maybe it was just a bad burrito. Guess I'll never really know.

32 posted on 07/25/2009 8:49:23 AM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I took it and I'm just fine....aside from a desire to wallow in the mud.

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33 posted on 07/25/2009 8:50:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Kakaze; cripplecreek
cripplecreek: "They can take their vaccine and shove it."

kakaze: "I will not take one."

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen -- now let's be realistic here. If Surgeon General Benjamin says you'll take a flu shot, you'll take a flu shot! (Or suppository, if that's what you prefer.)

Regina has a house call with your name on it, honeychild.


34 posted on 07/25/2009 8:50:33 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is it "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" or a realistic scenario?

Here's what's real (as far as we can know, now):

1) Influenza A/California/04/2009 is a real, new, human adapted virus, descended from the Influenza A virus which caused the 1918 pandemic.

2) It has the ability to spread very rapidly in human populations. We don't know if this is unusual or not, since the molecular and communications tools to follow spread like this did not exist in 1968, at the time of the last pandemic.

3) Calling this event a pandemic is definitionally correct.

4) So far, this new, pandemic flu strain causes either asymptomatic infection or mild illness in the vast majority of affected people. Although this is definitionally a pandemic, it may not be what most people mean when they use the word.

5) The federal and international responses are inconsistent and not well justified by the known facts (they may of course know other facts that are not public information).

What follows is opinion:

There have been major efforts at formulating response plans for pandemic flu for at least seven or eight years. These plans contain elements of useful interventions, but they also (never let a crisis go to waste) contain political structures which do not now exist, to exercise authority over sovereign nations.

In the third week in April 2009, it was reasonable to be concerned that this might be "the big one". By now, it's clear that this is a "normal" flu pandemic, similar to 1943, 1949, 1957, and 1968 - none of which required political changes in the international system.

There are people at WHO and in the State Department who are dying to "pull the trigger" on a major, new form of international response to this event, but they are inhibited by the facts of the event - the mild or nonexistent illness, the low mortality rate, and public skepticism all are holding them back.

In areas of strong government control (hospitals through OSHA, state health departments through CDC) very strong and probably unjustified responses are either being made or are in the cards.

And that's the way it is.

35 posted on 07/25/2009 8:54:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wonder how much they are going to profit from this vaccine they try to force on everyone.


36 posted on 07/25/2009 8:54:44 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: newfreep

>> What’s the next flu crisis? <<

You forgot SARS!


37 posted on 07/25/2009 8:55:44 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: All

What the Obamabots are posting on the internet:

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AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY!

It’s official. America and the World are now in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. A World EPIDEMIC with potential catastrophic consequences for ALL of the American people. The first PANDEMIC in 41 years. And WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES will have to face this PANDEMIC with the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed World.

STAND READY AMERICA TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

We spend over twice as much of our GDP on healthcare as any other country in the World. And Individual American spend about ten times as much out of pocket on healthcare as any other people in the World. All because of GREED! And the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare system in America.

And while all this is going on, some members of congress seem mostly concern about how to protect the corporate PROFITS! of our GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT NATIONAL DISGRACE. A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DISGRACE that is in fact, totally valueless to the public health. And a detriment to national security, public safety, and the public health.

Progressive democrats the Tri-Caucus and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust public option for all Americans, with all of the minimum requirements progressive democrats demanded. If congress can not pass a robust public option with at least 51 votes and all robust minimum requirements, congress should immediately move to scrap healthcare reform and request that President Obama declare a state of NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Seizing and replacing all PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance plans with the immediate implementation of National Healthcare for all Americans under the provisions of HR676 (A Single-payer National Healthcare Plan For All).

Coverage can begin immediately through our current medicare system. With immediate expansion through recruitment of displaced workers from the canceled private sector insurance industry. Funding can also begin immediately by substitution of payroll deductions for private insurance plans with payroll deductions for the national healthcare plan. This is what the vast majority of the American people want. And this is what all objective experts unanimously agree would be the best, and most cost effective for the American people and our economy.

In Mexico on average people who received medical care for A-H1N1 (Swine Flu) with in 3 days survived. People who did not receive medical care until 7 days or more died. This has been the same results in the US. But 50 million Americans don’t even have any healthcare coverage. And at least 200 million of you with insurance could not get in to see your private insurance plans doctors in 2 or 3 days, even if your life depended on it. WHICH IT DOES!

If President Obama has to declare a NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY to rescue the American people from our healthcare crisis, he will need all the sustained support you can give him. STICK WITH HIM! He’s doing a brilliant job.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE!

THE BATTLE OF GOOD Vs EVIL!

Join the fight.

Contact congress and your representatives NOW! AND SPREAD THE WORD!

God Bless You

Jacksmith – WORKING CLASS


38 posted on 07/25/2009 8:55:49 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Man50D

Someone on another thread said “a wounded Marxist is a dangerous Marxist,” and I think that’s something to bear in mind. More people are becoming disenchanted with The One, even some of the people who voted for him, and I think at some point he’s going to feel the need for a good crisis.


39 posted on 07/25/2009 8:56:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: cripplecreek
Last night on sportscenter they said that several members of the Texas rangers have tested positive for the swine flu but are expected to play their scheduled games.

Just think! Hundreds of thousands of spectators inhaling the H1N1 virus. The CDC is putting the Texas Rangers under double secret probation for that.

40 posted on 07/25/2009 8:56:48 AM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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