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1 posted on 07/24/2009 10:15:43 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/24/2009 10:16:26 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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3 posted on 07/24/2009 10:17:58 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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I wonder if denying a gay-gene will become like denying global warming.


4 posted on 07/24/2009 10:23:05 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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Homosexuality is an OCD focusing on one’s own genitalia.


5 posted on 07/24/2009 10:28:40 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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There is a critical element missing from the debate, that further complicates things. Importantly, though, it distinguishes humans from animals.

About halfway through gestation in mammals and humans, the testes of a male fetus excrete a small amount of testosterone, which is carried in their blood to their brain. This tells the male fetus’ brain that it should be a “male brain”. If this testosterone is not received, the brain of a fetus is, by default, female.

This process can, and is sometimes interfered with, both naturally and artificially. However, and this is the zinger, in animals, it will determine sexual behavior—but NOT in humans.

In humans, a person will be more masculine or more feminine, based on having a male or female brain, but it will NOT determine who they are sexually attracted to.

If a female animal receives testosterone in its brain, it will try and mate as if it was a male. If a male animal does not receive testosterone in its brain, it will exhibit female mating behavior.

Scientists even tried limiting testosterone to half of an animals brain, and discovered that it exhibits *both* male and female mating behavior.

But in humans, this is not the case. Even if all testosterone is blocked from reaching the brain of a male fetus, while the adult male will be very feminine in their behavior, liking and disliking what females normally like and dislike, the odds are strongly against their being homosexual. That is, even if they are very feminine, they will still have only an ordinary statistical chance of being homosexual.

Conversely, if a female human fetus gets testosterone in her brain, as an adult she will be very much a “tomboy”, but still be strongly sexually attracted to men, outside the usual statistical occurrence of lesbianism.

This was first examined by researchers in the 1960s, then the research was duplicated by the government at a much larger scale in the 1980s. The reason for this was increasing concern that chemicals in the environment could interfere with this process.

For example, farmers frequently use plant estrogen on their crops, both for size and yield. But plant estrogen is similar to human estrogen, and estrogen can interfere with testosterone. So the fear was that using plant estrogen on food crops could result in widespread homosexuality.

Which didn’t happen.

In the final analysis, this research should boost those that believed homosexuality is a social, not exclusively biological development. And if it is a learned social behavior, it might be unlearned.


10 posted on 07/24/2009 11:22:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The ‘gay gene’ theory has had its ups and downs. It was first proposed by a California professor back several decades ago (the sixties?) and the gay community attacked him and the theory. Being gay was deemed to be a lifestyle choice by proud gays at the time.

However, that changed with the advent of AIDs in the 70s & 80s. After all, there wouldn’t be any research funding for solutions to a lifestyle choice. The solution would simply be “Quit doing that and you won’t catch Aids.”

Ah, but if it were a genetic mandate, then the Aids sufferer had no responsibility for his malady. He was a victim of his genes and the rest of society needed to assist in developing a research program that would save all these victims.

Lots of research money was forthcoming after that gay gene argument was put forth and you don’t hear anything about a lifestyle choice much any more.


11 posted on 07/24/2009 11:23:57 AM PDT by wildbill
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Certain “family dynamics that are scientifically validated” are at the root of same-sex attraction, psychologist Joseph Nicolosi told the Register. Nicolosi is director of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality and treats clients with unwanted same-sex attraction. Same-sex attraction, at its root, is not biological but emotional, he said. -snip- The result is a sexualized desire to bond with another male, which therapists call the “reparative urge.” Quinlan’s first sexual experience occurred at age 11 with a male friend. “I got something I was missing,” he recalled. “For the first time, I received approval, affirmation and affection from a male.”

Some of us remember being taught this in university psychology courses (at least through the late 80's). And that it explained the choice of same sex relationships for some but not all, as chromosomal and other biochemical factors did explain it for others.

12 posted on 07/24/2009 11:30:22 AM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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Where I grew up we had this girl in our neighborhood that was pretty fat — cute, but pretty fat. Anyway, someone suggested that she stop stuffing tweenkies in her mouth...low and behold, she dropped the weight and today, is really rather gorgeous...because someone suggested that she stop stuffing tweenkies her mouth and she followed a simple suggestion. Hhhhhmmmm, somehow, that same logic just seems to fit with someone thinking that they are a homosexual...I’m mean, you really only get fat stuffing tweenkies in your mouth...


16 posted on 07/24/2009 3:01:36 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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I’ve never heard of this guy, Quinlan. If he’s for real, what a wonderful testimony to the real possibility that there’s hope for transformation from homosexual attraction. I don’t know why he’s been kept under raps. Perhaps the Gaystapo has a contract out for him.


19 posted on 07/24/2009 5:07:03 PM PDT by fwdude (Be still, my soul: the waves and winds still know His voice who ruled them while He dwelt below.)
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21 posted on 07/24/2009 8:29:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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