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Gates Arrest Not About Race But Free Speech
The New York Times ^ | November 19, 1997 | Deborah Sontag and Dan Barry

Posted on 07/23/2009 4:46:52 PM PDT by parsifal

After dropping her young daughter with a baby sitter, Taquana Harris rushed to her hostess job at the fashionable Bowery Bar one night last February, her leopard-print evening gown sweeping elegantly through the dark, icy streets of the East Village. Then a strange woman crudely grabbed her by the arm and demanded to know what she had done with the drugs.

Within seconds, Ms. Harris recalled, she found herself pinned to the steel grating of a bodega by two plainclothes officers engaged in a neighborhood drug sweep.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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Professor Gates was not arrested because he was black. He was arrested because he dis-respected a police officer. Disrespect is neither polite not civil. However, neither is it a crime, especially when directed at a government official. Gates would have been wrongly arrested whether he was black or white for mouthing off at a cop.

My opinion is all the talking heads have it wrong and are missing the real point. It's not about race, but the constitution.

parsy.

1 posted on 07/23/2009 4:46:52 PM PDT by parsifal
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“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

- Booker T. Washington (1856-1915.)
http://www.historycooperative.org/btw/Vol.1/html/430.html
2 posted on 07/23/2009 4:48:41 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mrmeyer

Great quote.


3 posted on 07/23/2009 4:50:34 PM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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"Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

That's an amazing quote even more relevant a hundred years after it was initially said. Amazing.

4 posted on 07/23/2009 4:52:03 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: eureka!

This quote with Obama’s picture would make one hell of a t-shirt...or billboard.


5 posted on 07/23/2009 4:52:42 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: parsifal

I agree. I’ve had my own encounters with local law dog bullies who did not like it when I asked them about the specifics as to why they pulled me over. One even gave me a speeding ticket even though he did not have his radar on and then lied about it in court. I beat the ticket, but it took a lawyer to do it.


6 posted on 07/23/2009 4:53:26 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: parsifal

If you want to hassle a cop, do it in court.


7 posted on 07/23/2009 4:54:13 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: parsifal

I have a family member who is a police officer, and you wouldn’t believe the abuse they take - quietly and without even acknowledging it.

Gates wouldn’t give it up, even though he was in the wrong. He followed them onto the sidewalk, screaming and yelling, and appealing to the crowd that had gathered. Sorry, his “do you know who I am?” tells me all I need to know.

This is the classic liberal line - when my daughter arrested drunk (white) yuppies, they would always say that first off and then go into an anti-cop rant. If they weren’t holding up police business and attracting a crowd, they were usually ignored, but if they wouldn’t let it go, they were arrested.

One actually wrote her a note to apologize when he sobered up. I think there was hope for that boy.


9 posted on 07/23/2009 4:55:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: mrmeyer

Great quote from a great book. Gates arrest wasn’t racially motivated. It’s far worse than that. Complete abuse of police power.

parsy.


10 posted on 07/23/2009 4:56:11 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: OldDeckHand

Great quote by a great man. Too bad we can’t have a President that tells it like it is, instead of one who tells it like it isn’t.


11 posted on 07/23/2009 4:56:35 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: parsifal

How long have you been out?


12 posted on 07/23/2009 4:58:28 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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Yea, right … use the words “colored people” and “Negro” on a t-shirt in this day and age and see what happens, especially if the one with the t-shirt happened to be white. ;-)


13 posted on 07/23/2009 4:58:59 PM PDT by doc1019 (YO! You are also half white Â… recognize it, deal with it.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

IF IT IS ABOUT FREE SPEECH, then let’s let people start up with the jokes about putting bombs in their suitcases when they go through TSA....try joking with the Immigration officers when you come IN to the USA. Personally, my brother joked around with a customs agent, and they had them drop their pants and look up their kazoo....don’t fool around with the guy with the badge, but then again, the guy in the House on Pennsylvania has let the world know we aren’t mean and the law is whatever Sharia says it is......


14 posted on 07/23/2009 5:00:41 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Paladin2
http://audio.weei.com/m/25432556/sgt-james-crowley-cambridge-police.htm

Sgt Crowley explains what happened...great interview, maybe this man should be the “intellectual”.

15 posted on 07/23/2009 5:01:20 PM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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To: parsifal
I think you have a point. There are some LEOs that have very thin skin. On the other hand, police very frequently do what they can to deescalate tense situation. People who are are enraged, and are becoming increasingly enraged sometimes leave cops no choice but to arrest them. And, Gates' case isn't unique insomuch that the charges are often times dropped.

Cops have a tough job and I'm sympathetic to what they have to put up with on a daily basis. But, I'm more concerned about the militarization of our civilian police forces than I am about police trying to reduce pressure in a tense situation, even if that means people are arrested for borderline "disturbing the peace" or disorderly conduct charges.

16 posted on 07/23/2009 5:01:38 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: mrmeyer
Al $harpton and Je$$e Jack$on obviously got the memo.
17 posted on 07/23/2009 5:01:49 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: parsifal

Let me make this very clear. One of the oldest cons in the book is to scream, holler, yell and make a ruckuss when you get caught doing something you shouldn’t be doing. If a cop falls for this he may well be putting his life and the lives of any onlookers in danger.

If Gates was causing the fuss THAT HE ADMITS TO the the officers were 100% correct in getting him out of the area so that things could be settled appropriately. Just because Gates had grey hair and needed a cain in no way shape or form meant that his antics couldn’t have been a signal for an accomplice to skeedaddle out the back door or worse.


18 posted on 07/23/2009 5:01:57 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: livius

There used to be a gay weatherman in Little Rock, who was married and in the closet. He got caught at the local park one night “trolling.” His biggest mistake, outside of looking for love in all the wrong places, was telling the cop “Do you know who I am?”

The answer was probably, “Yeah, the guy I am going to arrest rather than give a warning to.”

Nonetheless, cops are entrusted with a lot of power, and they need to learn when to use the power, and when to end things.

parsy.


19 posted on 07/23/2009 5:02:13 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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20 posted on 07/23/2009 5:02:37 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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