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Weekly jobless claims up more than expected (7/23/09)
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Posted on 07/23/2009 6:14:17 AM PDT by truthandlife

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To: b4its2late

Now wait just a minute. I’ve been reading for a week that this week’s DOW upsurge is directly tied to improving economic indicators.

Honestly, I don’t know whether to believe actual economic performance or the administration talking heads and who ever it is that creates these little upward DOW spikes.

And hey, guess what? Foreclosures continue to abound. And what about that little multitrillion dollar deficit that grows by about $1 trillion every 60-90 days under the skillfull leadership of the Dear Leader?

In 100 days The Marxist Onada managed to triple the deficit Bush oversaw in his 8-year presidency. Oh, I see. Pay no attention to the “Deficit Gorilla” behind the curtain.


41 posted on 07/23/2009 9:16:56 AM PDT by dools007
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To: truthandlife

Yes We Did! Obama! Yes We Did! Obama! Yes We Did! Obama!


42 posted on 07/23/2009 9:22:47 AM PDT by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: dools007

I just heard at the top of the hour news that the Dow is up to 9,000 for the first time since January, because businesses are going to be able to make a profit now that they shed all this expense and that housing sales are up. So that’s all they are reporting.


43 posted on 07/23/2009 9:30:13 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: truthandlife

There are 138 million Federal taxpayers. A better economic stimulus would be to tell those taxpayers that any tax owed would be lowered by the same amount that you are willing to pay in salary if you hire one of the unemployed.

Instead of paying the Feds the money and getting zip in return, you could take the money and pay it to someone to clean your house, care for children or elderly parents, etc. At least then you’d be getting something for your hard earned dollars.


44 posted on 07/23/2009 9:52:28 AM PDT by anonsquared (Jim Thompson made me do it!)
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To: b4its2late
I just want to see the total report on our financial status as a nation that the WHITE HOUSE has and was supposted to release a couple of weeks ago but is holding onto because they do not want AMerica to see it before the proposed health care vote...

WE PAID FOR IT....and WE NEED TO SEE IT!

45 posted on 07/23/2009 10:17:19 AM PDT by Republic (/6)
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To: truthandlife

The President said trust me. Give me 800 billion for the stimulus package and unemployment will stay below 8%. And now he wants us to trust him with another trillion or two for his health care scheme. Forgive me if I fail to put my faith in those whose track records are abysmal.


46 posted on 07/23/2009 10:30:58 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: w1andsodidwe
"Well a lot of people gave up looking for work and are not being counted"

How exactly would you count these people? It's not like (I don't think) there's some kind of central registry where you sign up saying you're too discouraged to look for work.

For that matter, how do they count people who are actively looking for work?

I can see how lay-offs are counted and how new hires are counted. For the rest, does anyone know where the numbers come from?

47 posted on 07/23/2009 10:31:26 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
How exactly would you count these people?

Oh, but isn't that the dead give away that it is a lie, but don't expect so called journalists to check anything out.

48 posted on 07/23/2009 10:49:32 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: RandallFlagg

You’re absolutely right: when I went to check on the U6 number (currently 15.6%), I came across this article called “The 20-Hour Workweek” (http://www.slate.com/id/2202879/) on Slate. The subhead is: “The unemployment rate seems low. That’s because it’s not counting all those underemployed workers.” They then go on to explain U6 in detail.

The date? October 22, 2008. Probably about the last time Slate or any member of the left has mentioned U6 recently.


49 posted on 07/23/2009 10:57:13 AM PDT by Mikie (0bama: 1 part Carter, 1 part Neville Chamberlain, 1 part Stalin, 2 parts used-car salesman)
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To: dearolddad
"....but they rescued the economy!" Ahhhhh, don't be so harsh. Rahm's getting those "shovel ready" projects in line for these folks!!!
50 posted on 07/23/2009 11:39:46 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Bo the dog came with more paperwork than his owner.)
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To: Pride in the USA
Didn’t Obamanation say last night in his speech that his administration had “brought the economy back from the brink?” It sounds more like it is still collapsing to me.

Indeed he did. Rush has sure been pounding the snot out of The One today, hasn't he? I love it. In case you didn't hear, Rush is going to be on Greta's show tonight (I'm sure via phone link) for Part I of a 2-hour interview he did for her. It sounds like we'll get a half hour of Rush tonight and another half hour tomorrow. I expect a hard-hitting, no holds barred demolition of The One, all his lies, and the true agenda behind them. Set the Tivo for Must See TeeVee!

51 posted on 07/23/2009 11:56:57 AM PDT by lonevoice (This tagline is identical to the one you are reading)
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To: truthandlife
What Is a Recession? The official definition of recession is when GDP growth is negative for consecutive two quarters or more. However, you can feel like you are in a recession before it has officially started because it is usually preceded by several quarters of slowing but positive growth. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022949/posts
First-quarter GDP revised higher as expected, to 0.9% growth
MarketWatch ^ | May 29, 2008
The nation's real gross domestic product increased at a 0.9% annual rate in the first three months of the year, slightly faster than the 0.6% rate originally estimated a month ago.
GDP increased 0.6% in the fourth quarter. The economy has grown 2.5% in the past year.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2023821/posts
What Recession?
IBD ^ | May 30, 2008
The fact is that real GDP, viewed on a year-over-year basis, increased 2.5% in this year's first quarter — the same as in last year's fourth. (Year-over-year comparisons, not quarter-to-quarter, are most telling.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2026400/posts
Jobless claims show unexpected improvement
AP ^ | June 5, 2008
The unemployment report for May will be released on Friday. Analysts are expecting that the overall civilian jobless rate will edge up to 5.1 percent, compared to 5 percent in April, and that businesses will have cut 60,000 jobs, marking the fifth straight month of job losses.
This prolonged stretch of job cuts has many economists believing the country has fallen into a recession.
However, the overall economy as measured by the gross domestic product has managed to remain in positive territory with the GDP growing at an annual rate of 0.9 percent in the first three months of the year.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2054241/posts
GDP gets stimulus checks boost
Reuters ^ | 7-31-2008
Gross Domestic Product or GDP grew at a 1.9 percent annual rate, up from a revised 0.9 percent rate in the first quarter that previously was reported as 1 percent.
Economists surveyed by Reuters had expected a 2.0 percent rise in GDP in the second quarter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2054216/posts
GDP accelerates to 1.9% pace in 2nd quarter
Marketwatch.com ^ | July 31, 2008
real growth in the U.S. economy accelerated in the second quarter to a 1.9% annual rate

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2090174/posts
Scaring Us to Death
Town Hall ^ | September 24, 2008 | Walter E. Williams
Recall that during President Carter's last year in office in 1980 what was called the “misery index”, which was defined as the sum of the inflation and unemployment rates, was about 22 percent: inflation averaged 14 percent; unemployment was 7.5 percent. Today's inflation just became 5 percent, having been between 1 and 3 percent for a decade, and unemployment is 6.1.

http://www.miseryindex.us/URbymonth.asp
The US Unemployment Rate
January 1948 to June 2009

http://www.miseryindex.us/indexbyPresident.asp
Misery Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate by president

http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbymonth.asp
The US Misery Index by month

52 posted on 07/23/2009 12:00:35 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: truthandlife

Wow, I am so glad the rats are in charge. Everything is going so well. The economy is just singing along and employers can barely find enough workers.


53 posted on 07/23/2009 2:21:18 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: truthandlife
Good point. Their greed bit them in the arse.

He needs to go back to Kenya, have a sit down with his family and lay out some strategy for the next 12 months.

Americans aren't buying his Kenyan crap anymore.

54 posted on 07/23/2009 2:45:47 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: M203M4

While often blamed by those who know no better Keynes never recommended anything such as what we see offered in his name.

He was not a socialist and did not support consistent, none-stop, deficit spending. His major work attempted to understand why the percepts of Classical Economic theory seemed to have failed in the 30s.

The most he would have accepted as reasonable fiscal policy is deficit spending during recession and lower gov. spending during booms. Monetary policy was not working during the Depression hence his famour saying:”you can’t push on a string”. Real interest rates were negative. He coined the phrase the “liquidity trap” to explain that failure.

I am not a Keynesian but must give the man his due as a brilliant and original thinker confronting a horrendous problem which conventional wisdom seemed incapable of solving.


55 posted on 07/23/2009 3:47:00 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: ilgipper

Standard estimates for labor benefits are 30-35%. Where does the other 115% come from?


56 posted on 07/23/2009 4:10:15 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: b4its2late

Uh, who’s gonna buy stuff in view of the PRESENT economy and in view of the health care monster that the Dear Leader is trying to foist on us? Oh, and don’t forget even The Marxist Onada and his cronies admit that unemployment will get worse before—HaHa—things get better?

What I’m saying is that Wall Street is being manipulated to create the illusion that nothing has really changed since a Marxist became president. To suspend belief sufficient to buy that load of crap one has to ignore the control the Marxist government has over the investment and housing institutions and government control over two auto companies.

One has also must ignore that our Constitution has been rendered irrelevent by the Marxists and their plans to control all media; what you eat; the kind of cars you buy; how much electricity each household may consume etc.

Nope, nothing has changed. I guess I’m seeing and hearing things that I don’t see and hear.


57 posted on 07/23/2009 4:34:07 PM PDT by dools007
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To: truthandlife

Just wait until next week and the week after with the minimum wage hike going into effect this week!


58 posted on 07/23/2009 5:04:06 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: w1andsodidwe

More job cuts were announced this week, many by major airlines.
Has Obama told executives not to travel again?

Only the Air Force One flight crew is assured of work in the next four years. You know, for all those date nights Barry needs to take the Witch on. You know, to prove he’s heterosexual. And you know, so Blackie O can show off her latest fashion attire from J Crew.


59 posted on 07/23/2009 6:09:02 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: george76
Believe that this U-6 figure is a much more accurate indication of what's going on. I'm also convinced that we have not hit close to bottom yet. Any how, it only seems appropriate to use these numbers because for the last 8 years that's all the MSM would talk about. Now what we have is a pathological liar for a president and a bunch of lap dogs in the press who refuse to call him out over it.

Obama lied and our economy died.

60 posted on 07/24/2009 4:10:15 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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