Posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:21 PM PDT by pissant
As if Barack Obama doesn’t have enough going on….
This issue of his birth certificate just isn’t going away. For those of you who usually steer clear of news from the fringe: There is a small but insistent element of the public — hereafter referred to as “birthers” — that claims President Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore not qualified to be president.
The “certification of live birth” issued by the state of Hawaii on Aug. 8, 1961, and readily viewable online is deemed inauthentic. Obama, the claim usually goes, was born in Kenya, his father’s native country.
Enter Liz Cheney, daughter of the former vice president and an increasingly visible conservative on the cable TV circuit.
On Tuesday night, appearing on CNN’s “Larry King,” she was asked about birthers, and did not denounce them outright — a reaction that has set off the left. Left-wing bloggers are now saying she “defended” birthers, which isn’t really true, but that’s become the talking point.
“I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do,” Ms. Cheney said. “But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas … ”
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For the record, even if Obama had not been born in the US, he would still be eligible for the presidency. His mother was a US citizen, and that makes Obama a “natural-born citizen,” as required by the Constitution.
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These words and other types are meant to discourage people. If you notice also they never mention the ‘natural born’ part of the issue at all. They do not question if a person needs two American parents or not. They also never bring up Barry’s adoption and Indonesian ciizenship. Nor do they mention how the left and the democrats did this with McCain or that this movement also was started by democrats. They simply spin the issue and smear.
The lack of any critical examination and adherence to leftist talking points is astounding.
I am not a "Birther."
Let me tell you why I am not a "birther."
I believe that Ø is as much a natural born citizen as McLame is.
McLame was born outside of the US. However, for McLame, it's not an issue, as 8 U.S.C. §1401 says he is a natural born citizen. Unfortunately, the same section says that the Bamster is too, because of the citizenship and length of residency of his mother. Regardless if he was born in Honolulu or Mombasa.
That's my opinion and you can either agree with it or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But keep reading, please. That's not the reason why I posted this.
In fact they dont care whether Obma is legitimate or not.
First point: Spell check is included in Firefox. You ought to consider switching browsers.
Second point: it really doesn't matter whether you're right or I'm right here. The hard, cold reality is that the 111th Congress wouldn't care if he was born in Outer Mongolia as the Child of Chairman Mao and Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. Shoot, he could be an artificially generated alien life form and the 111th Congress wouldn't care.
Also, with the second point: it's not like the courts are trying to discern the truth either. How many court cases have been summarily dismissed now? Two? Three?
So it doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things.
So why did I post this apparently antagonistic response?
Because, regardless of which way the truth works out, Bam-Bam is hiding something.
IF he was born in Mombasa (or wherever), he is stuck in a lie that he could have easily dealt with long ago, but one that will now put a HUGE amount of egg on a whole lot of faces.
IF he was born in Honolulu, as asserted, there is NO reason for him not to have asked to have the microfilm of his "original" birth certificate released (the one with the footprints and OB signature on it). It would be easy to resolve the situation for 99.5% of all "birthers" (except the Alex Jones type of conspiracy nuts). And it would go away. Why spend over a million dollars to suppress the truth?
The only answer I can consider is that there is something on that "original" birth certificate that he doesn't want revealed to the world. Don't know what it is. But it has got to be significant, else he would have shut us all up.
So, although I'm not a "birther," I want those of you who ARE birthers to keep pressing on. (And you will likely hear me asking the "where's the Birth Certificate" question too) Not because I think it matters on a legal basis, but I think, on a political basis, it is going to be HUGE when it actually comes out!
This is just flat-out wrong. If his father was not a US citizen then he is NOT a natural born citizen, that is, a citizen who naturally owes allegiance to no other country. If one parent is not a US citizen then his allegiance would be naturally divided between the father's country and the US. It is this divided allegiance that the Constitutional provision is designed to prohibit.
All these groups vouched for Obama and told the ''birthers'' to sit down and STFU. They know they have as much to lose as Obama does if he is ultimately exposed as ineligible to be president. Their panicky suppression of this issue and dismissal of anyone raising it as racist, fringe, kooky, weird, etc. means it's having an effect. We need to keep the pressure on!
An excellent place to start would be to push for state laws requiring a certified long form birth certificate to be submitted for anyone running for president or vice president to get their name on the ballot. It will just take ONE state to demand such proof to make things very interesting...
I hear you and agree with you 110% In other words, they LIE!
You wrote-
“These words and other types are meant to discourage people. If you notice also they never mention the ‘natural born’ part of the issue at all. They do not question if a person needs two American parents or not. They also never bring up Barry’s adoption and Indonesian ciizenship. Nor do they mention how the left and the democrats did this with McCain or that this movement also was started by democrats. They simply spin the issue and smear.”
We are pretty much in agreement. I have thought all along that he is probably a Natural Born citizen. I think his daddy is Frank Davis. So whether you admit it or not. Your ARE a birther the same as I.
Certainly there is a reason he doesnt want it shown , he isnt spending all that money for nothing.
No matter what the reason , or your reason for wanting to see the Birth Certificate we are all burthers in that we dont believe this loying sack of doo.
We are pretty much in agreement. I have thought all along that he is probably a Natural Born citizen. I think his daddy is Frank Davis. So whether you admit it or not. Your ARE a birther the same as I.
Certainly there is a reason he doesnt want it shown , he isnt spending all that money for nothing.
No matter what the reason , or your reason for wanting to see the Birth Certificate we are all burthers in that we dont believe this lying sack of doo.
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