Posted on 07/22/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by SloopJohnB
In a rare win for gun control advocates, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure allowing a person with a concealed weapon permit in one state to also hide his firearm when visiting another state. The vote was 58-39 in favor of the provision establishing concealed carry permit reciprocity in the 48 states that have concealed weapons laws. That fell two votes short of the 60 needed to approve the measure, offered as an amendment to a defense spending bill.
Opponents prevailed in their argument that the measure violated states rights by forcing states with stringent requirements for permits to recognize concealed weapons carriers from states that give out permits to almost any gun owner.
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The roll call vote, Lugar & Voinovich switched on the Second Amendment from the Coburn vote. We were two votes shy, two lousy votes.
Klobuchar (D-MN), Kohl (D-WI), Merkley (D-OR), Nelson (D-FL), Rockefeller (D-WV who didn't vote on Coburn), Sanders (I-VT), Shaheen (D-NH), Specter (D-PA) and Wyden (D-OR) switched their vote from YEAs on Coburn to NAYs on Thune as best that I could check, with that exception for Rockefeller.
Alexander (R-TN) and Johnson (D-SD) did the reverse switch from NAYs on Coburn to YEAs on Thune.
Here's the Coburn Amendment roll call vote.
If your senator is involved, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Some CCW’s have a number on the back for LEO’s to call to check on the validity of said permits.
Each of these states should pass a law requiring ANYONE carrying concealed to have a state issued carry permit, with specific severe limitations for federal agents (their licenses are temporary, and require state commission approval upon full legal documentation of reason for the request, and are only certified for a particular warrant and time, under penalty of felony) and jail the first g-man to disobey, hence losing his ability to retain his job under current federal law.
Two way street. Use their own tactics against them. Have the arrest carried out by the county sheriff, the supreme law enforcement of the area. That should get a foot in the door of scotus to put the issue to test.
And Chuck Shumer would be a pimple on NY's ass, but he has this to say:
Today, U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer released the following statement on the defeat of the Thune Amendment July 22, 2009 “Lives have been saved with the defeat of this amendment. This measure, if it had passed, would have done more to threaten the safety of Americans than anything since the repeal of the assault weapons ban. It would have created havoc for law enforcement and endangered the safety of millions of Americans. We will remain vigilant to prevent any legislation like this from passing in the future.” U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer
http://schumer.senate.gov/
The bold section illustrates the big LIE. This senator is a LIAR. Even if every person carried a gun, there is NO WAY possible that anywhere near a million people would have their 'safety' endangered, in FACT, millions would actually have their 'safety' enhanced. That's the GD Lie that these traitors get away with and it needs to be exposed.
Say this amendment did pass....hooray!!!!! We can carry anywhere we want if the law in that state has a CCW provision!!! YAY!!!!!
Congress then comes along and says...."You know, there are too many variations among the states for CCW....we can do better. And since we are going to write the uniform laws for the nation, maybe we should have the records of those who have permits now and determine by OUR standards if they should be allowed to carry. Maybe we should know what they are carrying and have some way to track that weapon and ammunition."
Now, you MIGHT think I'm being a little paranoid. If history has taught us anything, government that wants to 'help', usually wants control.
Good point but I have a better one.
No American should require a concealed carry permit or any type of permit to carry a weapon.
In addition, DV laws have been misused and abused, there should be no ban on weapon possession based simply on a DV arrest or conviction. It doesn’t stop anyone from ‘obtaining’ a weapon any more than drug laws prevent anyone from getting illegal drugs.
By the way, it would be nice if congress and the federal government consistently displayed this much concern for states rights.
Just my two cents...
Certainly not. Fearing government is lesson one in being an American. I realize it's too late to turn the clock back to what it meant to be an American when the constitution was written AND the bill of rights added to it.
The 2A was a statement of the status quo such that it was a condition that the people accepted and insisted couldn't be infringed (yet it has). The other ammendments were just as valid with regard to 'rights' assumed to be inviolate by the citizens of this country at it's founding, which- if you think about it- was an opportunity to put into words those rights that nobody could mess with as this constitution would ultimately become the "law of the land". Some rights are Supreme and fit nicely into a document burdened with 'supremacy'.
The 2A certifies every citizen's right to bear arms that the states must honor as well. They don't, and here we are today- groveling at the feet of magistrates for a 'right' that had been declared un-infringeable. Pathetic, really. Though not as pathetic as the lying senator from NY (take your pick)
I prefer to live in old America where rights were recognized as divinely inspired and enjoyed thus. You are living in new America where rights have been transformed into priviledges granted by mortals where you must be deemed 'worthy' to exercise them. Under this system, the distictions between North America and North Korea will blur and eventually cease to exist.
When I think about it, the only uncontested right I enjoy today is the right to an abortion- and I'm a guy.
Probably one of my Senators, Bob Casey, was allowed a “yea” vote, being that he is very far up Obama’s rectum, and because of this, will probably not be looked upon favorably at re-election.
Looks like something that will wind up challenged in court, all the way to the SCOTUS. Thanks neverdem.
Yes. Even the recipient of domestic violence has the option of being armed so when the threat returns, she (usually) may turn to a reliable, forceful, response to such threat, rather than depend on her home-alarm system, where some white dude who's trying to break into an acting career asks if she's alright and, to notify her 'help is on the way'.(These commercials turn my stomach as help would already BE there and most often can be held in one hand- put the phone down and shoot the SonofaBich)
I find myself sometimes yelling at the TV ... Shoot the bastard and save someone else the misery, dolt!
Thanks for the ping!
"Hello, mam, are you allright?"
"Don't call me 'mam'. I worked hard to get this title, please call me 'senator'."
"Ok, senator. Are you allright?"
"I think so, but four guys are smashing my windows and climbing through them."
"Well, help is on the way."
"You sound like my ex-husband."
"Look mam, you'd better hide in another room."
"Please don't call me 'mam', I worke......"
"Mam, are you allright?, I mean, senator?"
"Click!"
This federal version would set a standard no different than the drivers license from my state allowing me to drive in the next state that issues a drivers license. In this case only states that issue a CHL / CCW license. .
Just my opinion based on my personal experiences.
Your comment is first I have heard of any state issuing a permit to anyone with a record of a domestic violence conviction
Excellent idea !
Instead of pushing for laws like this. Wouldn’t it be better for the 2nd amend to remove laws that infringe on it such as laws against concealed carry?
Yeah, I feel that’s better than a nationwide database, but I’m not a LEO, so I don’t know how they feel about it.
I’m not. They understand Virginians, I believe.
Forgive me if this sounds rude, but that sounds like you're simply repeating one of Chuckie Schumer's bogus statements.
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