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Personally, I do not care how the punk died. Once you pull a gun a threaten someone, the law should not protect you. If it were up to me, I would create an "open season doctrine" whereby anyone who pulls a gun has just created an "anything goes" environment where the law will not protect them.
1 posted on 07/22/2009 4:26:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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Kind of risky labor robbing drug stores. I guess he knew he might die when he tried to do this. I hope the pharmacist is vindicated and is released, I wish I was on the jury,.


2 posted on 07/22/2009 4:28:52 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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Charged with murder for taking out the trash?I dont care how many shots are fired to take this dirt bag out.I wonder how many times law enforcement would have shot him?


4 posted on 07/22/2009 4:34:01 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (I am Jim Thompson,Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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Misdemeanor murder.
8 posted on 07/22/2009 4:49:59 AM PDT by bruoz
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Well let’s see here. Did they bother to do a drug screen on the thugs blood? Robbing a Pharmacy is sort of self explanitory.


9 posted on 07/22/2009 4:50:42 AM PDT by Marty62
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The problem with this case is it puts an impossible burden upon anyone defending himself.

"How many shots is enough to end the threat?"

When faced with a deadly threat, only the defender can judge what must be done to end the threat and he must do so with lightning speed.

If a defender had run out of ammunition and stopped to reload and resumed firing after the perpetrator was obviously down from multiple gunshot wounds, there might be some argument.

11 posted on 07/22/2009 4:52:34 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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Antwun Rayshaun Parker, 16, of Oklahoma City was knocked out after being shot in the head and would have survived that injury, Dr. Collie Trant told The Oklahoman.

Can the Doctor testify if the dead perp wouldhave continued his attack if he woke upbefore the police arrived? How long the perp would have been out?How about the sequence of shots? Were they minutes apart or nano seconds apart?
Bottomline is the Doc was not there and has NO IDEA what really happened what people were thinking feeling etc while the incident was occurring.
My take on the incident.1 scumbag dead 1 productive citizen still alive.


13 posted on 07/22/2009 4:55:20 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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The point is to cover their asses. If they don’t drag the shooter to bankruptcy defending himself in court, they haven’t done their job

We live under a tyranny of lawyers, not a republic under the law.

We have a government of men, not of law


14 posted on 07/22/2009 4:57:58 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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If this pharmacist is convicted of murder, then the right of self defense will be null and void. Citizens will then have a right to be executed by any perp; for the “greater good” as a certain Supreme Court nominee might say.


16 posted on 07/22/2009 5:00:32 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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Mr. Ersland performed a great deed for the local community that day.


19 posted on 07/22/2009 5:02:58 AM PDT by csvset
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Agreed...
I think the DA is doing this to prevent a massive race riot. You know the scum-bag’s mother said he was “such a great kid and an artist”!!!
LOL....


21 posted on 07/22/2009 5:15:07 AM PDT by FlorianG
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The following is a matter of opinion, not a matter of law. If called upon to serve on a jury in such a case, I would seek to find accordingly. I quote myself from an earlier thread about this case:

If it is true that from a legal standpoint, he is guilty of murder, it is time to change the law, whether by appropriate legislation or (more likely) jury nullification.

IMHO, if someone comes at you with a weapon, whether he discharges it or slashes at you with it (depending on weapon type) or not, you have every right to be certain in your own mind that the individual has completely stopped being a threat to you.

If that certainty requires that you burn through 58 rounds in assorted calibers, so be it.

IMHO if you go into someone’s home or place of business threatening deadly force for any purpose whatever, you forfeit any right you might have had to leave that place alive.

If it takes the homeowner or other defender two or three tries to finish the job, than— sucks to be you. Should have gone someplace else.

Conversely, if the homeowner or whoever takes pains to keep you alive and hand you over to authorities, then you owe your life to that individual along with restitution for any loss or damage to him. The appropriate response is gratitude and an overwhelming sense of obligation.

26 posted on 07/22/2009 5:34:59 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Free men don't need government permission.)
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As Bernard Goetz learned on a NY city subway, once your attacker is down and out, you cant keep shooting him. I don’t have a problem with that. However, if he is still moving and in possession of a gun, he is still a threat and can be dealt with until the threat ends.


31 posted on 07/22/2009 5:43:53 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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“Mah baby, Antwun, he a good boy. He never hurt nobody. He murdered mah pretty baby in cold blood and now Ah needs a new car and mah boyfriend he need a new neck chain. We gonna make this druggist honkey pay. Yeah!”
34 posted on 07/22/2009 6:17:18 AM PDT by Gritty (If you're a crime target, only one besides the criminal is sure to be on the scene: you-John Stossel)
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"...three-pellet shell...."

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36 posted on 07/22/2009 6:21:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Not up to speed on this case, but if the head shot failed to stop the threat, weren’t the followup shots consistent with shooting until threat is stopped?


46 posted on 07/22/2009 7:51:31 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (I once had an awkward moment just to see how it felt.)
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I have never seen such a string of dumb@$$ comments! Look at the store surveillance videos before you show your (group) ignorance.

After the druggist plonked the (unarmed) punk on the head with his .380, he

  1. went outside, came back in,

  2. stepped over the punk on the floor,

  3. did not check the downed punk for armament,

  4. turned his back on him and walked away,

  5. Put his .410 "Judge" revolver away,

  6. walked back over to the punk,

  7. at least a full minute after the first shot -- emptied his .380 into the punk's body.

That was not "imminent danger self defense".

47 posted on 07/22/2009 8:05:42 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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One of the robbers was pointing a gun at him as he entered the store. I don't see how they can accuse the store owner of "first degree" murder--he didn't premeditate having someone come into his store and threaten his life.

If the robber had been white, I don't think they would be accusing the store owner of first-degree murder. The authorities are probably afraid of the reaction in the black community if they don't go after the store owner. Maybe their reasoning is that maybe he'll be convicted on a lesser charge but that will be enough to avoid civil disturbances.

48 posted on 07/22/2009 8:17:47 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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After watching the video.

It appears Jerome Jay Ersland was over the perp for 2 maybe 3 seconds.

Five shots in 2 to 3 seconds ?

I don't think so.


81 posted on 07/22/2009 2:17:23 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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>>If it were up to me, I would create an “open season doctrine” whereby anyone who pulls a gun has just created an “anything goes” environment where the law will not protect them.<<

I think that is an excellent idea. Seriously.


95 posted on 07/22/2009 3:33:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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